Merged 9/11 CT subforum General Discussion Thread

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parky76 said:
I think some 9-11 Conspiracy Theorists are stupid, some are insane, some are fascists, some are sheep, some are looking for attention...but they are ALL.....accomplishing nothing.
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Why do believers have to attack people and call them names for wanting to find the truth?

Why do beleivers have to disrespect the people that died that day by not wanting to find the truth?
 
tomwaits said:
Oh, my. That and the PFT thread where someone claimed to be selling the flight 93 plane (and they believed him!) are probably the funniest things I have ever seen on the internet.
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Oh, that was a classic. It wasn't the seller who claimed that, it was the truthers. It was a legitimate sale of a damaged plane that had a similar tail number (or maybe it was a typo in the ad) to the 9/11 plane. Even after this was explained to the truthers, several of them continued to think they'd cracked the case wide open.
 
Ah, at last, a thread where I can say the following and be on topic (sort of anyway).

It's over. O-V-E-R, "ovah" as they say in these parts. There is simply no real reason at all for the 9/11 CT subforum to exist as an active discussion database, except as a (quite reliable, actually) source of low-brow humor, the kind that appeals to people like me who get a laugh out of metaphorically picking the metaphorical wings off metaphorical (or at least intellectual) flies. There's something to be said for that I suppose, but other than that...over.

I mean, just look at the truthers who still come here. It's hard to say anything at all truly descriptive about them that doesn't come across as an insult, but...come on. When was the last time any one of them contributed anything at all that was even remotely original, that made you think for more than a nanosecond before you realized it's all been debunked a trillion times, probably in every language on Earth. I've said it before and I'll say it again, one more time: I honestly don't believe that you can be informed, rational, honest, and sane, and be a Truther. Hell, I'm not even sure you can possess as many as three of those qualities and be a Truther. It just isn't possible, because the type of mental gymnastics you'd have to perform is far beyond human evolution. Your brain would explode first.

So why are we still here? Well, there's that humor factor. And there's also the off chance a genuinely misinformed poster might come here in the spirit of honest inquiry, who is seeking answers we can provide. There's probably been 100's of posts from people claiming to be exactly such a person, only the facade always seems to vanish faster than Jamie Lynn Spear's career round about their fifth post or so, revealing that they lack one of the other traits I mentioned (usually rationality, although sanity seems to claim its share of victims as well).

I don't think we should close down this forum by any means, since it contains a tremendous wealth of very useful and interesting information. And no doubt we'll continue to respond to the Truthers who come here, some for the first time, others sporting the traditional socks. And I certainly have no problem with that. But I think we all realize the situation. Nothing really new is likely to happen here again. In a metaphor of extraordinary nerdiness, we've left the Main Sequence and now we're in the white dwarf stage. We'll continue to burn on, small and dim, perhaps forever. Indeed, that feeble light may be the only thing that's sustaining the dim, fuzzy shadow that is today's 9/11 Truth Movement. But a vibrant community for the exchange of new and thought-provoking ideas? O-V-E-R.
 
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ULTIMA1 said:
You know attacking people is a true sign that you cannot have an adult discussion and do not have any evidence.
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Well most every member here has tried that with you already, and you always seem to ignore the evidence. Looking at your profile, as of right now you have 40.66 posts per day and a total of 760 plus posts. Of those posts, you have yet to provide a single piece of evidence supporting any of your claims. What do you have to say to that? Isn't it embarrassing?
 
This place could use some new carpets. There, I said it and will not take it back.
 
Quad4_72 said:
Well most every member here has tried that with you already, and you always seem to ignore the evidence. Looking at your profile, as of right now you have 40.66 posts per day and a total of 760 plus posts. Of those posts, you have yet to provide a single piece of evidence supporting any of your claims.
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40 posts per day. And that includes a week suspension! Factor out the suspension and he is posting 70 times per day. Wow!

Most of his posts are some variation of "I'm sorry you believers can't debate my facts and evidence with facts and evidence" or "You believers are brainwashed by the government and media". The rest are posts in which he links to a website or news article containing information which he misinterprets or presumes its meaning. He's clearly not interested in serious, honest, intellectual, logical debate, so there's not much left to do but humor him.
 
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I think I'm starting to get Debunker Fatigue Syndrome. I just saw two posts by the same truther, one of which said, "Either show where I made claim A or admit you're a liar" and the other of which made claim A, and I just couldn't be bothered to quote them one after the other in this post. I think I'm more interested in what pattern these new carpets are going to be.

Dave
 
Mince said:
40 posts per day. And that includes a week suspension! Factor out the suspension and he is posting 70 times per day. Wow!

Most of his posts are some variation of "I'm sorry you believers can't debate my facts and evidence with facts and evidence" or "You believers are brainwashed by the government and media". The rest are posts in which he links to a website or news article containing information which he misinterprets or presumes its meaning. He's clearly not interested in serious, honest, intellectual, logical debate, so there's not much left to do but humor him.
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Good point. He also has evidence presented to him that clearly contradicts his claims but he still spews nonsense.
 
I actually enjoy truthers, the way they bend and twist evidence, their logical fallacies, and especially how they kick themselves. One of my favorite truther moments was a poll, they conducted, revealing that only 4.6% believed in their nonsense.
 
ULTIMA1 said:
Why do believers have to attack people and call them names for wanting to find the truth?

Why do beleivers have to disrespect the people that died that day by not wanting to find the truth?
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I dont know...maybe being called an agent, a shill, a Zionist, a Bush-lover, a criminal, a co-conspirator, has made some people a little jaded?

Not only do we want to find the truth..but we defend the fact that it WAS found...many years ago.

Lets get one thing perfectly clear.....9-11 Truthers DO NOT seek the truth of what happened that day. They seek attention, they seek revolution, they seek criminal penalties for innocent people, they seek the deaths of those they falsely accuse of murder, they seek a new investigation that MUST agree with what they already believe without any real evidence, but they DO NOT seek the truth.
 
Mince said:
I have nothing to add...except a post stating I having nothing to add. Which is actually adding something, making the premise of my post, that I have nothing to add, inherently untrue.
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Dammit you've just uncovered our conspiracy with your oafish lack of self control! Now everyone will know we have something to add!

And we were so close!
 
Why do crackpots think if they refer to their nonsense as "truth" that it will suddenly become truth instead of propaganda?
 
I saw something this afternoon in Chicago that I guess I can put here. It wasn't a truthist thing, but it does prove how truthist attempts at protesting thus far have been huge failures.

Allow me to explain. This afternoon, I was in downtown Chicago and I come upon a protest on the plaza in front of the downtown post office at Adams and Dearborn. I'm not really clear on what the protest was about, but I had my new digital camera along with me and snapped a few photos from a distance; some from across the plaza, some from next to the Dirksen Federal Courthouse across the street.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/85481426@N00/sets/72157608217964146/
The flag that's being waved is the Assyrian flag, and I gather from the signage that the group assembled this afternoon to protest the Iraq war and raise awareness of the genocide of Iraqi Christians.
But more to the point I'm trying to make... that's a pretty sizable group. Looked like a few hundred to me. This is on a Monday afternoon, mind you. I took these photos from 1:37 to 1:43pm, there were speakers was going on before that and continued afterwards.
Something else you will notice in the photos... umbrellas and raincoats. It was raining, hence the photos taken from a distance from covered locations. Not just drizzling, either... raining, enough to soak someone dumb enough to not carry an umbrella.
So... Assyrians can protest in downtown Chicago and draw a few hundred people, and hundreds more watching from nearby buildings and sidewalks... on a Monday... in the rain.
Truthists, meanwhile, can't draw 200 on the 7th anniversary, more than a dozen on a sunny day or anyone when it's raining.
Stick a fork in the truth movement... it's done.
 
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