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bill smith said:
You are wrong Mike. There are many smoking guns. If you choose not to accept that that is your own affair. It won't make a blind bit of difference in the end though. The Truth will come out.
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Well, I can't help but notice that every time I look into a truther "smoking gun" I find a whole pile of omissions, distortions, deceptions and lies. You can bury your head in the sand, change the subject, dodge, weave, and deny, deny, deny, but the truth about truther dishonesty has already come out.
 
MikeW said:
Well, I can't help but notice that every time I look into a truther "smoking gun" I find a whole pile of omissions, distortions, deceptions and lies. You can bury your head in the sand, change the subject, dodge, weave, and deny, deny, deny, but the truth about truther dishonesty has already come out.
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So say you Mike. Even the expresson 'Omissions, distortions' is a Truth Movement expression as is 'heads in the sand'. Have you ever noticed that there have been constant revelations from the beginning that support our position and that there have never been any revelations that support your position ? Lately these new facts have been really stabbing your position to he heart and strengthening ours. I am not being triumphalist here- I am simply stating the obvious.
I am fairly sure it is too late to stop the genie coming out of the bottle now and I'm also fairly sure that the Obama administration is well aware of this. So it's more a question of presentaation and damage limitation than anything else. That may be why we saw Richard Gage being given free rein by FOX the other day. They may be moving towards some kind of structured disclosure. A high-risk strategy to be sure but at least this might give them some measure of control. At least the truth Movement will be fully vindicated and rehabillitated. We deserve it too after so many long years of hard and unpaid work.
 
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bill smith said:
One fascinating revelation Jones makes in this lecture has to do with the WTC dust. Remember that the Whitehouse ordered the EPA to doctor their statements about air quality on 9/11 ? Well thousands of people now have serious breathing difficulties and are even dying s a result of breathing the air the Whitehouse cynically said was safe. But one more interestng spinoff from this is that it looks like the red-grey chips are in those people's lungs which in itself is absolute proof that the chips were in the dust to start with. That's another escape route for the perps effectively closed. (They can no longer dispute where the red grey chips came from)
http://johnp.blip.tv/
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So, do these people need to stay away from heat sources so they do not spontaneously combust from the nanothermite in their lungs?
 
Disbelief said:
So, do these people need to stay away from heat sources so they do not spontaneously combust from the nanothermite in their lungs?
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Not unless they have one of those special Mexican chillies that burn at 430 degrees C which is about the temperature needed to ignite nanothermite.
 
bill smith said:
So say you Mike. Even the expresson 'Omissions, distortions' is a Truth Movement expression as is 'heads in the sand'. Have you ever noticed that there have been constant revelations from the beginning that support our position and that there have never been any revelations that support your position ?
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Never?

Well, we could take the first ever publicly released document that's given a definitive time for Mineta reaching the PEOC:

600px-Mineta_peoc.png

(hotlinked from my site)

10:07? Oh dear. Yet another truther lie bites the dust.
 
MikeW said:
Never?

Well, we could take the first ever publicly released document that's given a definitive time for Mineta reaching the PEOC:

[qimg]http://911myths.com/images/thumb/c/cd/Mineta_peoc.png/600px-Mineta_peoc.png[/qimg]
(hotlinked from my site)

10:07? Oh dear. Yet another truther lie bites the dust.
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Just a small detail. I heard Cheney kind of put his foot in it on that subject the last days or weeks anyway though it's not of any special concern to me.
 
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bill smith said:
Just a small detail. I heard Cheney kind of put hhis foot in it on that subject the last days or weeks though it's not of any special concern to me.
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Backpaddle much Bill? Handwave much Bill? Ignore the evidence much Bill? Fail at your arguements much Bill?
 
bill smith said:
Just a small detail. I heard Cheney kind of put hhis foot in it on that subject the last days or weeks though it's not of any special concern to me.
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And there we have it: you don't like this, so it's minimised and dismissed, while anything that points to "inside job" is swallowed wholesale. The perfect recipe for self-delusion. Well done, Bill: you're a textbook truther.
 
MikeW said:
And there we have it: you don't like this, so it's minimised and dismissed, while anything that points to "inside job" is swallowed wholesale. The perfect recipe for self-delusion. Well done, Bill: you're a textbook truther.
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I never really claimed to be anything else.
 
bill smith said:
You are wrong Mike. There are many smoking guns. If you choose not to accept that that is your own affair. It won't make a blind bit of difference in the end though. The Truth will come out.
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Yes and all of the smoking guns are proof you spew hearsay, lies and delusions. Belief in Jones ideas are the smoking gun you have no abilities to comprehend any thing in science. Belief in Heiwa is the smoking gun you have zero comprehension of engineering, physics, and gravity.

You have more smoking guns than you have knowledge on 911. Good job proving each smoking gun about the moronic ideas of 911TruthLies are true. You are the divining rod for finding stupid ideas about 911. Whatever you post about 911 is pure poppycock; you are the perfect authenticator that an idea is a moronic delusion on 911. Keep up the good work as the poster child for dumb ideas on 911. The more you wallow in the pit of 911 ignorance the bigger your epiphany return to reality will be.

The truth has come out - you select moronic delusions on 911 to present without evidence or thinking about it.
 
MikeW said:
And there we have it: you don't like this, so it's minimised and dismissed, while anything that points to "inside job" is swallowed wholesale. The perfect recipe for self-delusion. Well done, Bill: you're a textbook truther.
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Yeah, Confirmation Bias. It's the same thing that people who want to believe in 'psychics' like Sylvia Browne do.

Conspiracy Theorists raise it to an art form.
 
bill smith said:
I never really claimed to be anything else.
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An unsound argument is sometimes called a fallacy, which strictly speaking merely means an argument where the truth of the conclusions is not guaranteed by the truth of the premises. Logicians distinguish between "formal" fallacies, arguments that superficially resemble valid deductive reasoning but that commit an easily recognizable logical error, and "informal" fallacies that do not appear to be valid arguments but that rely on other aspects of human cognition for their plausibility.

Comprehend Bill?
 
bill:

I noticed that your link as proof that people had the red/gray chips in their lungs is a link to a Dr. Steven Jones video. Does he provide the source for this claim in the talk you have linked to? If so, what is his source for this claim (I do not want to sleep...I mean sit through his entire talk to confirm his/your claim).

I have not seen this finding in any of the dust analysis papers I have read from google scholar.

Please provide a first hand reference for this claim, or kindly retract it.

TAM:)
 
bill smith said:
Does anybody really think that FOX is just an honest purveyor of news ? Does anybody think that what FOX and it's afilliates sends out is not controlled with a rod of iron ? Does anybody think that this Richard Gage interview got sent out by accident ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oO2yT0uBQbM&eurl=http://www.911blogger.com/&feature=player_embedded

Think about it.
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No Bill I think it's great Gage got that interview. It's that much more publicity to demonstrate what utter moronic ideas he peddles. :)
 
bill smith said:
Does anybody really think that FOX is just an honest purveyor of news ? Does anybody think that what FOX and it's afilliates sends out is not controlled with a rod of iron ? Does anybody think that this Richard Gage interview got sent out by accident ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oO2yT0uBQbM&eurl=http://www.911blogger.com/&feature=player_embedded

Think about it.
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I think you only have to look at the viewer numbers at truther HQ sites such as P4T etc. Even less than here for 911 conspiracy. Switch off JREF and they entertain each other instead of the 50 or so veiwing here. It would make more sense for them to hit the nation full on by going to CNN, BBC, Press etc with all they got. Give them a few days in the real world, rather than hiding in obscure forums or low end tv/radio productions.

Give them the headline news and let them sprout their nonsense backed up with their nonsense evidence. Billions will then laugh at them rather than a few hundred. Bring it on truthers. Just be prepared for worldwide humiliation.
 
Grizzly Bear said:
No Bill I think it's great Gage got that interview. It's that much more publicity to demonstrate what utter moronic ideas he peddles. :)
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I am hoping that there will be more like this. If so then you and I both know what is happening. Whichever method they use to bring 9/11 to the surface in a nice sanitised way we will be there to make sure they get it right and are not too economical with the actualité.

A kind of free consultantcy if you like.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oO2yT0uBQbM&eurl=http://www.911blogger.com/&feature=player_embedded
 
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