9/11 and the 1919 Chicago Black Sox World Series Conspiracy

[Galileo]

9/11 and the 1919 Chicago Black Sox World Series conspiracy
8/1/2008

By Rolf Lindgren and Dr. Kevin Barrett

To many, a large conspiracy involving unthinkable actions cannot happen. And if it could, the people involved would never get away with it, especially if they seem too incompetent to pull it off. But the 1919 Chicago Black Sox scandal is proof that this is not true.

*snip*

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=98742

References:

The major source for this article is the book Eight Men Out; The Black Sox and the 1919 World Series by Eliot Asinof, especially chapters I and II;

http://www.amazon.com/Eight-Men-Out-Black-World/dp/0805065377

The book has also been made into a movie, with Charlie Sheen playing Happy Felsh, Studs Terkel playing Hugh Fullerton, and Michael Rooker playing Chick Gandil. Edd Roush visited the movie set shortly before his death (the movie does not follow the book exactly on details):

http://www.amazon.com/Eight-Men-Out-20th-Anniversary/dp/B0010YSD90/ref=pd_sim_b_1

Wikipedia Version of the Black Sox Scandal

http://en.Wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Sox_Scandal

1919 Chicago White Sox Statistics

http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/CHW/1919.shtml

Rolf Lindgren is a 9/11 Truth Activist from Middleton, Wisconsin, and is a WTC 7 Expert. He works as a Loan Officer and holds a bachelor’s degree in Mathematics from the University of Wisconsin-Madison. He was the Polling Director for the Michael Badnarik and Aaron Russo presidential campaigns in 2004, and is a long-time member of the Libertarian Party. Rolf is a defender of Galileo and James Madison.

Dr. Kevin Barrett is a candidate for Congress in Wisconsin's 3rd District running on a "peace and truth" platform. He has taught languages, literatures, and religious studies at several colleges and universities. For information suggesting that 9/11 was an even more elaborate and outrageous conspiracy than the Black Sox scandal, visit http://www.barrettforcongress.us

http://www.wispolitics.com/index.iml?Article=132547

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Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic  Posted By: LibraryLady

 

[Everything]

Okay.

e: vvvv Just wanted you to know someone read it.

 

[Galileo]

Okay.

scooby snack?

 

[Mongrel]

Only professional boxing, horseracing, college football, and the Olympics, provided any competition at all to baseball’s dominance in the sporting world

And Americans wonder why we think you guys are insular

 

[defaultdotxbe]

so a conspiracy surrounding an insignificant event (compared to 9/11) was exposed within a year, without the aid of youtube or the internet

seems to highlight the truth movements ineptitude fairly well, dont you think?

 

[SDC]

What the heck is the point of all that? Please explain. I actually think it is mere trolling.

 

[Galileo]

so a conspiracy surrounding an insignificant event (compared to 9/11) was exposed within a year, without the aid of youtube or the internet

seems to highlight the truth movements ineptitude fairly well, dont you think?

never got exposed. Since the players were acquitted, the official story was that there was no conspiracy. The book this article is based on wasn't written until over 40 years later. The players were kicked out for associating with gamblers, not for any conspiracy.

 

[Foolmewunz]

never got exposed. Since the players were acquitted, the official story was that there was no conspiracy. The book this article is based on wasn't written until over 40 years later. The players were kicked out for associating with gamblers, not for any conspiracy.

So the affrontery of fixing a baseball game (series of games) is now akin to murdering three thousand people?

I wouldn't have thought it possible given the vast number of areas where you've evidence a lack of knowledge, but you've now given us another.

Baseball.

You know nothing about baseball. The "official" reason for banning was "Association With Known Gamblers" (I paraphrase)... That's because that's all they could rely on having sufficient evidence to prove in a courtroom. Sort of like later convicting known organized crime bosses for tax evasion. Get it? Except it wasn't a conviction; it was a rule violation.

Anyone over the age of twenty who isn't aware of the story behind this is just intentionally obtuse.

It is also rather doubtful that one could prove that not winning a baseball game was actually a crime. It's just a game, after all. You'd have to actually prove that they were intentionally throwing the game. Otherwise, how many times could we sue Barry Bonds for not running out a deep fly ball? (That's when the ball is hit deep, in the air [or 'on the fly'].) It's all rather figurative, isn't it?

In 1919, organized crime, as such, was not thought to be a threat. Many people knew of or knew directly someone involved in gambling. The audacity of throwin the Series was because everyone thought it was untouchable and that baseball players were minor deities. But was it even a crime? Could they have arrested them? Since gambling was illegal, throwing a game shouldn't matter in the eyes of the law. Not Trying Hard isn't in the statutes, as far as I know. Even having proof from others involved in the deal, all they could get them on was baseball rules infractions, and even those were dubious, at best. They were banned by common consent of the "old boys network" that ran the game.

 

[CptColumbo]

Associating is a way to say they conspired without opening yourself to a libel charge.

Judge Landis was MLB's first commisioner, and demanded very broad powers that included automomy from the owners (which is why I hated when Bud Selig was named commisioner). He didn't need to prove they were guilty in a court before they were banned, he just did it. You will find he banned more people then any other commisioner to date.

 

[SDC]

So the point is that since there was a conspiracy to throw the 1919 World Series, among some players and gamblers, that therefore we should believe that 9/11 was an inside job conspiracy, among the Bush admin, and maybe Mossad or whoever else?

That's it? Sheesh. Where is that quote about the "dumbest conspiracy in the history of ever," or whatever it was.

 

[Donal]

So, several players kicked out of baseball, Joe Jackson prevented to this day from entering the Hall of Fame, several other members of the conspiracy (the money men) skip the country, a new position in baseball is created (commissioner), and new laws involved with throwing a game are passed, and you think there were no consequences?

Why not take a look at the gambling scandals at City College of New York and Arizona State? Small groups of guys that couldn't keep out of trouble.

 

[dudalb]

What a stupid comparasion.
Yeah, a plot of throw a baseball game involving maybe a dozen players is comparable to a plot to kill thousands which would have involved hundreds of people in the know. Brilliant, guy,
Someone is really getting desperate.
BTW for a good,accurate movie on the Black Sox scandle, I strongly recommend "Eight Men Out".

 

[Galileo]

9/11 and the 1919 Chicago Black Sox World Series conspiracy
8/1/2008

By Rolf Lindgren and Dr. Kevin Barrett

To many, a large conspiracy involving unthinkable actions cannot happen. And if it could, the people involved would never get away with it, especially if they seem too incompetent to pull it off. But the 1919 Chicago Black Sox scandal is proof that this is not true.

*snip*

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=98742

References:

The major source for this article is the book Eight Men Out; The Black Sox and the 1919 World Series by Eliot Asinof, especially chapters I and II;

http://www.amazon.com/Eight-Men-Out-Black-World/dp/0805065377

The book has also been made into a movie, with Charlie Sheen playing Happy Felsh, Studs Terkel playing Hugh Fullerton, and Michael Rooker playing Chick Gandil. Edd Roush visited the movie set shortly before his death (the movie does not follow the book exactly on details):

http://www.amazon.com/Eight-Men-Out-20th-Anniversary/dp/B0010YSD90/ref=pd_sim_b_1

Wikipedia Version of the Black Sox Scandal

http://en.Wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Sox_Scandal

1919 Chicago White Sox Statistics

http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/CHW/1919.shtml

Rolf Lindgren is a 9/11 Truth Activist from Middleton, Wisconsin, and is a WTC 7 Expert. He works as a Loan Officer and holds a bachelor’s degree in Mathematics from the University of Wisconsin-Madison. He was the Polling Director for the Michael Badnarik and Aaron Russo presidential campaigns in 2004, and is a long-time member of the Libertarian Party. Rolf is a defender of Galileo and James Madison.

Dr. Kevin Barrett is a candidate for Congress in Wisconsin's 3rd District running on a "peace and truth" platform. He has taught languages, literatures, and religious studies at several colleges and universities. For information suggesting that 9/11 was an even more elaborate and outrageous conspiracy than the Black Sox scandal, visit http://www.barrettforcongress.us

http://www.wispolitics.com/index.iml?Article=132547

Please do not violate Rule 4: You will not post "copyright-protected1" material in its entirety, including "hotlinking2" to images or other media. I have cut the article and left the links.

Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic  Posted By: LibraryLady

This is NOT copyrighted material! This was a press release. Politicians don't copyright their press releases, nor is any claim of copyright made on the site. No wonder you people are so inconsistent when it comes to conspiracy theories.

 

[Galileo]

So, several players kicked out of baseball, Joe Jackson prevented to this day from entering the Hall of Fame, several other members of the conspiracy (the money men) skip the country, a new position in baseball is created (commissioner), and new laws involved with throwing a game are passed, and you think there were no consequences?

Why not take a look at the gambling scandals at City College of New York and Arizona State? Small groups of guys that couldn't keep out of trouble.

Chick Gandil made more money off the conspiracy tax free, than he'd make in ten years of playing. Crime paid. The other players all made at least 2 1/2 their annual salaries, plus what they made gambling, plus they played the 1920 season as well. Most reports assume they continued to throw games in 1920 and made untold thousands more.

 

[Galileo]

So the affrontery of fixing a baseball game (series of games) is now akin to murdering three thousand people?

I wouldn't have thought it possible given the vast number of areas where you've evidence a lack of knowledge, but you've now given us another.

Baseball.

You know nothing about baseball. The "official" reason for banning was "Association With Known Gamblers" (I paraphrase)... That's because that's all they could rely on having sufficient evidence to prove in a courtroom. Sort of like later convicting known organized crime bosses for tax evasion. Get it? Except it wasn't a conviction; it was a rule violation.

Anyone over the age of twenty who isn't aware of the story behind this is just intentionally obtuse.

It is also rather doubtful that one could prove that not winning a baseball game was actually a crime. It's just a game, after all. You'd have to actually prove that they were intentionally throwing the game. Otherwise, how many times could we sue Barry Bonds for not running out a deep fly ball? (That's when the ball is hit deep, in the air [or 'on the fly'].) It's all rather figurative, isn't it?

In 1919, organized crime, as such, was not thought to be a threat. Many people knew of or knew directly someone involved in gambling. The audacity of throwin the Series was because everyone thought it was untouchable and that baseball players were minor deities. But was it even a crime? Could they have arrested them? Since gambling was illegal, throwing a game shouldn't matter in the eyes of the law. Not Trying Hard isn't in the statutes, as far as I know. Even having proof from others involved in the deal, all they could get them on was baseball rules infractions, and even those were dubious, at best. They were banned by common consent of the "old boys network" that ran the game.

believe it or not, more people in this country care about baseball than care whether a few thousand odd people get murdered. This apathy has allowed Bush and Cheney to so far escape justice.

 

[Drudgewire]

This would be a great analogy if the White Sox needed the help of the FBI, fire department, the President of the United States and thousands of seemingly honest people with nothing to gain in order to flub a few ground balls.

Instead, it takes stupid to spectacular new heights.

 

[Galileo]

This would be a great analogy if the White Sox needed the help of the FBI, fire department, the President of the United States and thousands of seemingly honest people with nothing to gain in order to flub a few ground balls.

Instead, it takes stupid to spectacular new heights.

Asinof exposed the Black Sox conspiracy in 1961. Griffin exposed the 9/11 conspiracy in 2004.

 

[SDC]

Asinof didn't "expose" anything. He wrote an excellent historical study drawing on generally available material.

Griffin didn't "expose" anything, either. He wrote a load of speculative horse puckey. Over and over again.

Really, this is silly. G., can't you come up with anything better than this?

 

[Galileo]

Asinof didn't "expose" anything. He wrote an excellent historical study drawing on generally available material.

Griffin didn't "expose" anything, either. He wrote a load of speculative horse puckey. Over and over again.

Really, this is silly. G., can't you come up with anything better than this?

BS - the public knew virtually nothing about the 1919 Black Sox until his book came out. Asinof went and interviewed a bunch of the old players to find out what really happened.

 

[CptColumbo]

This would be a great analogy if the White Sox needed the help of the FBI, fire department, the President of the United States and thousands of seemingly honest people with nothing to gain in order to flub a few ground balls.

Instead, it takes stupid to spectacular new heights.

The FBI was the BoI prior to (IIRC) 1935.