Split Thread 7WTC - controlled demolition or fire and damage induced collapse?

[Sabretooth]

No. I'm saying that they suppress a great deal of sound.

Got it. So now we're looking for low-volume and shockwave-less explosives.

It's only a matter of time...

 

[uke2se]

Thank you for the update.

The atomic bomb was magic.

For the ignorant, I'm quite sure it appeared that way.

MM

Is your argument that the atomic bomb was used at 9/11? If so, you made an appeal to magic, as the use of an atomic bomb would have been noticeable due to radiation, an extreme flash of light, an intense sound and an incredible shock-wave.

If you're argument isn't that the atomic bomb was used at 9/11, you just posted a red herring, in which case carlitos' post stands just as well, repeated here for your consumption:

Appeal to magic noted, and rejected.

What's the word - unobtanium?

 

[BigAl]

No.

I'm saying that they suppress a great deal of sound.

Somehow that failed to happen in the 1993 WTC bombing. It was in a sub-sub basement of the North tower and it was heard all up both towers and for blocks around on street level.

There was no such explosion heard in 2001.

The fact is, there were lots of eyewitness reports about explosions.

"Explosion" just means "loud noise". There were lots of loud noises heard at WTC.

no eyewitnesses report hearing noises consistent in timing, loudness or brisance with man-made demolition.

 

[triforcharity]

You pre-suppose the NIST hypothetical blast scenario is the only plausible explanation for a controlled demolition of WTC7 which has any validity.

I have to wonder what the Japanese concluded in terms of conventional explosives immediately following the bombing of Hiroshima?

No doubt they based all their thinking on conventional munitions as well.

The whole Official Conspiracy Theory has now been whittled down to a pathetic;
gee it could not have been an inside job because we don't have proof of the boom sounds we expected.

As long as the technology employed is kept secret, OCTers will translate what happened only in terms of what is publicly unclassified.

Much like how the indians reacted to the white man's "fire sticks".

For OCTers, ignorance is truly bliss.

MM

An explosive, capable of cutting a core column of 7WTC, could not be silent. It defies the laws of physics.

 

[Miragememories]

"I have to wonder what the Japanese concluded in terms of conventional explosives immediately following the bombing of Hiroshima?

No doubt they based all their thinking on conventional munitions as well."

"Appeal to magic noted, and rejected.

What's the word - unobtanium?"

"Thank you for the update.

The atomic bomb was magic?

For the ignorant, I'm quite sure it appeared that way."

"Is your argument that the atomic bomb was used at 9/11? If so, you made an appeal to magic, as the use of an atomic bomb would have been noticeable due to radiation, an extreme flash of light, an intense sound and an incredible shock-wave."

Well, it is a welcome relief to discover you aren't totally illiterate.

Your posts had me convinced otherwise.

Now what is your point?

MM

 

[triforcharity]

The point is that your argument is ******* stupid. Not just plain stupid, but ******* stupid.

 

[Miragememories]

""Explosion" just means "loud noise". There were lots of loud noises heard at WTC."

Thank you Al.

Anytime I hear a loud noise, I'll now know it is an explosion.

MM

 

[uke2se]

Well, it is a welcome relief to discover you aren't totally illiterate.

Your posts had me convinced otherwise.

Now what is your point?

MM

What triforcharity said.

 

[GlennB]

As long as the technology employed is kept secret, OCTers will translate what happened only in terms of what is publicly unclassified.

For OCTers, ignorance is truly bliss.

Publically unclassified methods for the kangaroos to swing over from Australia to reach Noah's ark in time were limited to hopping and swimming. God, however, could simply 'make it so'.

Your belief in the power of The Man is of religious proportions MM. Anything outside known technology is deemed possible to Him.

 

[uke2se]

Thank you Al.

Anytime I hear a loud noise, I'll now know it is an explosion.

MM

Yes, that seems to be the twoofer way of things.

 

[Miragememories]

"An explosive, capable of cutting a core column of 7WTC, could not be silent. It defies the laws of physics."

And here I thought nothing could defy the laws of physics.

Go figure.

Where did I state that an explosive cut a core column?

MM

 

[Miragememories]

The point is that your argument is ******* stupid. Not just plain stupid, but ******* stupid.

Keep on writing stupid.

Maybe 100 times and you'll win the whole 9/11 debate.

Too funny.

MM

 

[uke2se]

Keep on writing stupid.

Maybe 100 times and you'll win the whole 9/11 debate.

Too funny.

MM

The 9/11 "debate" was won several years ago. A few nutjobs apparently didn't get the memo.

Too funny.

notMM

 

[Miragememories]

Publically unclassified methods for the kangaroos to swing over from Australia to reach Noah's ark in time were limited to hopping and swimming. God, however, could simply 'make it so'.

Your belief in the power of The Man is of religious proportions MM. Anything outside known technology is deemed possible to Him.

And your naive assumption that you know it all Glenn is equally astouding!

MM

 

[uke2se]

And your naive assumption that you know it all Glenn is equally astouding!

MM

Nice dodge. Oh wait... no it wasn't. It was just stupid.

Too funny.

notMM.

 

[Miragememories]

The 9/11 "debate" was won several years ago. A few nutjobs apparently didn't get the memo.

Too funny.

notMM

You might like to go and listen to the Coast to Coast AM Debate- August 21, 2010.
Here is a link to the whole show.
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6254919&postcount=493

And afterwards you might enjoy;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSBYdRRuLxI

MM

 

[uke2se]

You might like to go and listen to the Coast to Coast AM Debate- August 21, 2010.
Here is a link to the whole show.
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6254919&postcount=493

And afterwards you might enjoy;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSBYdRRuLxI

MM

Nah, I'll just keep pointing out your many lies and contradictions. It's much more fun. One might even say it's

Too funny.

notMM

 

[jaydeehess]

You pre-suppose the NIST hypothetical blast scenario is the only plausible explanation for a controlled demolition of WTC7 which has any validity.

I have to wonder what the Japanese concluded in terms of conventional explosives immediately following the bombing of Hiroshima?

No doubt they based all their thinking on conventional munitions as well.

The whole Official Conspiracy Theory has now been whittled down to a pathetic;
gee it could not have been an inside job because we don't have proof of the boom sounds we expected.

As long as the technology employed is kept secret, OCTers will translate what happened only in terms of what is publicly unclassified.

Much like how the indians reacted to the white man's "fire sticks".

For OCTers, ignorance is truly bliss.

MM

Appeal to magic noted, and rejected.

What's the word - unobtanium?

MM, you are invoking an unsubstantiated, purely hypothetical technology simply because you wish there to be one.

That is akin to invoking magic. You might as well state that there may well be a form of pixie dust that can do all of the various actions you ascribe to this unknown technology.

You invoke this magical technology despite the facts of known fire and structural engineering allowing for the events to have unfolded as in the commonly accepted narritive of Sept. 11/01.

YOU are bucking logic and rational reasoning, and thus it would be encumbant upon you to provide some evidence at the very least that such a tech exists.

Now getting back to that FF who supposedly told Dodds of a 3rd 50 storey or so building having collapsed.
I outlined the three choices that I can think of and two of them would require that the Ff be lieing, the other that the FF's statement was misinterpreted by Dodds. You and I both assert that the veracity of the common NYC firefighter is such that one lieing is most likely not the case here. I still await your explanation then as to how Dodds could have been misinformed by a FF who was misinformed but who is also not lieing about having witnessed, first hand, the collapse of this 50 storey structure.

I also still await an explanation as to why it could be neccessary to 'plant' a story about a collapse of a structure similar to WTC 7 within minutes of the dust clearing which would reveal WTC 7 erither down as well or still standing. Given that had WTC 7 been down when the dust cleared then simple reasoning would have been that it had suffered enough damage to its south side by the collapse of WTC 2, and later the much closer WTC 1, to have caused it to come down.

Others still await your explanation as to how demolishing an entire building is more efficient at destroying the contents of the building than are the more conventional and controllable methods.

 

[jaydeehess]

And your naive assumption that you know it all Glenn is equally astouding!

MM

No one here claims to "know it all" MM. However you are invoking an old conspiracy theme, "you don't know what they do or don't have". Its a cop out that you believe allows you to presume anything you wish. It is wishful thinking at its worst.
It is, to my mind, reminiscent of those posters who really believe that perhaps "The Matrix" is a docu-drama.

 

[carlitos]

Got it. So now we're looking for low-volume and shockwave-less explosives.

It's only a matter of time...

Right. And what propels the cutting charge throught he column? Doh.

Publically unclassified methods for the kangaroos to swing over from Australia to reach Noah's ark in time were limited to hopping and swimming. God, however, could simply 'make it so'.

Your belief in the power of The Man is of religious proportions MM. Anything outside known technology is deemed possible to Him.

That's very well put, GlennB. I'm glad someone got my point.

No one here claims to "know it all" MM. However you are invoking an old conspiracy theme, "you don't know what they do or don't have". Its a cop out that you believe allows you to presume anything you wish. It is wishful thinking at its worst.
It is, to my mind, reminiscent of those posters who really believe that perhaps "The Matrix" is a docu-drama.

Yes, this. Ascribe magical powers to a substance (in this case, shock-wave and soundless explosives), and then propose that only "they" have this substance. It's faith-based.