70 Metre Rise In Sea Level?

[six7s]

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/31/science/earth/31ocean.html?_r=1&pagewanted=print

That is a fascinating read

Thank you

 

[TrueSceptic]

Old Bob - the first known dementia victim due to denier Koolaid overdose.

Nah. Tokie beat him to it and he can't have been the first either.

 

[TrueSceptic]

you think he's a Scientologist??.....hmmmm might be something in that love the rol

I was thinking of David Icke. I don't think he's got any links to Scientology but I could be wrong. From Wiki,

At the heart of Icke's theories is the view that the world is ruled by a secret group referred to as the "Global Elite" or "Illuminati," which he has linked to The Protocols of the Elders of Zion, while not denying that these are an anti-semitic hoax. [3][4] In 1999, he published The Biggest Secret, in which he wrote that the Illuminati are a race of reptilian humanoids known as the Babylonian Brotherhood, and that many prominent figures are reptilian, including George W. Bush, Queen Elizabeth II, Kris Kristofferson, and Boxcar Willie.

See, the best humour is unintentional.

 

[Beerina]

And nary a mention of trolls, let alone astroblemes.

Oh Holy God, I want to know that word!



astrobleme : n An eroded meteorite impact crater. Lit. "star wound", astro + bleme, as in blemish. :: We found her dog wandering around the astrobleme near the burial mound that she went to investigate because it had started humming. ::

 

[mhaze]

this might be an exceedingly stupid reply but here goes.

Why even be concerned - let alone worried - about it?

USA Today: Answers Archives - Earth's water cycle, humidity

Because Warmers are basically worriers, and the wilder the assertion, the more they go off on it. This thread is a good example. Go back and see if anyone questioned the starting premise: 1 meter in 20 years.

One did, but no one responded, as I recall. Nope, Warmers avoid contrary evidence and facts, in favor of naive and gullible patterns of faith-like beliefs. Basically an apocalyptic belief set.

 

[Old Bob]

Yep I'm going to have the last laugh, Global Cooling. Here you are, most standing up in snow and still believing Gore. This month Nexus magazine has a big article on the myth of global warming. Here in the central coast Australia the climate has reverted back to a normal hot wet year floods north fires south. We have bad green policy on fire mitigation and every year we have bad fires. This country need to burn in the cool periods to avoid bad hot fires. "But the Smoke, think of the children"

 

[macdoc]

Having a late night circle denier circle jerk are we?? how cute....

Nope, Warmers avoid contrary evidence and facts, in favor of naive and gullible patterns of faith-like beliefs

Pardon my intense laughter about naive reality deniers.....

What WAS your category by category refutation of these observed changes???

http://www.arctic.noaa.gov/reportcard/



as for Australia.....bad choice - the changes are well established.....

rain

http://www.bom.gov.au/cgi-bin/silo/...iable=rain&region=aus&season=0112&period=1950

temperature

http://www.bom.gov.au/cgi-bin/silo/...iable=tmax&region=aus&season=0112&period=1950

of course it COULD be a heat island effect

 

[BenBurch]

Nah. Tokie beat him to it and he can't have been the first either.

I *miss* Tokie.

 

[IMST]

According to the map linked on the first page of the thread, a 14 meter rise in sea levels means I get waterfront property on Seattle Island.

 

[macdoc]

Something very ironic about this.....can't quite put my finger on it.....

Antarctic bulge could flood Washington DC

• 19:00 05 February 2009 by David Robson
• For similar stories, visit the Climate Change Topic Guide

Rather than spreading out evenly across all the oceans, water from melted Antarctic ice sheets will gather around North America and the Indian Ocean. That's bad news for the US East Coast, which could bear the brunt of one of these oceanic bulges.
Many previous models of the rising sea levels due to climate change assumed that water from melted ice sheets and glaciers would simply run into the oceans and fill them uniformly. These models predict a 5-metre rise in sea levels if the West Antarctic ice sheet melts, but fail to acknowledge three important factors.
First, Jerry Mitrovica and colleagues from the University of Toronto in Canada considered the gravitational attraction of the Antarctic ice sheets on the surrounding water, which pulls it towards the South Pole. As the ice sheet melts, this bulge of water dissipates into surrounding oceans along with the meltwater. So while the sea level near Antarctica will fall, sea levels away from the South Pole will rise.
Once the ice melts, the release of pressure could also cause the Antarctic continent to rise by 100 metres. And as the weight of the ice pressing down on the continental shelf is released, the rock will spring back, displacing seawater that will also spread across the oceans.
Redistributing this mass of water could even change the axis of the Earth's spin. The team estimates that the South Pole will shift by 500 metres towards the west of Antarctica, and the North Pole will shift in the opposite direction. Since the spin of the Earth creates bulges of oceanic water in the regions between the equator and the poles, these bulges will also shift slightly with the changing axis.
Washington awash

The upshot is that the North American continent and the Indian Ocean will experience the greatest changes in sea level – adding 1 or 2 metres to the current estimates. Washington DC sits squarely in this area, meaning it could face a 6.3-metre sea level rise in total. California will also be in the target zone.
"Policy-makers must realise that the effects could be greater or smaller in different areas," says team member Natalya Gomez. The team have so far only considered one ice sheet, so the effects of other ice sheets across the world could also have a similar impact, she says.
However, these models assume that all the West Antarctic sea ice will melt, but Peter Convey from the British Antarctic Survey in Cambridge points out this may not necessarily be the case. "It would be dangerously easy to get people to focus on the 6-metre figure, but it just might not happen like that," he says.
Jonathan Gregory from the University of Reading in the UK, who is part of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, however, thinks the work should be helpful once this has been reliably evaluated.


Journal reference: Science: DOI: 10.1126/science.1166510

http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn16545-antarctic-bulge-could-flood-washington-dc.html

There is ALWAYS a silver lining.....

 

[Hindmost]

Maybe it will drown Wall Street...couldn't hurt.

glenn

 

[macdoc]

Seems to me S Manhattan is only 3 meters above sea level

 

[CapelDodger]

According to the map linked on the first page of the thread a 14 meter rise in sea levels means I get waterfront property on Seattle Island.

By which time the term "waterfront property" will have lost its cachet. "Raised prospect" or even the simple "hilltop" will be more the thing. "Waterfront property" will rank about equal with "cholera-free so far".

 

[CapelDodger]

Because Warmers are basically worriers, and the wilder the assertion, the more they go off on it. This thread is a good example. Go back and see if anyone questioned the starting premise: 1 meter in 20 years.

One did, but no one responded, as I recall.

Are you afraid to name names? Go on, we're all amogst friends here. Who was that one?

Nope, Warmers avoid contrary evidence and facts, in favor of naive and gullible patterns of faith-like beliefs. Basically an apocalyptic belief set.

I wouldn't know about "warmers" since I am (even by your definition) not one myself. They sound a sad bunch in principle, but in practice they must be making merry as the confirming evidence comes flooding in. I can understand your frustration, but hey, this cooling phase we're into is really going to piss on their bonfire. In twenty years we'll all be looking back and laughing about them.

Better yet, we could do it in some Florida beachfront property I can put you onto which is an absolute steal at the price.

 

[CapelDodger]

Oh Holy God, I want to know that word!



astrobleme : n An eroded meteorite impact crater. Lit. "star wound", astro + bleme, as in blemish. :: We found her dog wandering around the astrobleme near the burial mound that she went to investigate because it had started humming. ::

It was new to me as well, and no day that brings a new word is entirely wasted IMO. I've yet to persuade m'dog of that but he has his own priorities, and is fully entitled to them.

 

[CapelDodger]

Quite possibly

However, I fail to see the relevance, given that 'your average townies' are a minority population (planet-wise)

I don't think so.

Filled 'em up with what?

People.

Yeah? Are you sure? Even so... most farmland is kinda near where farmers live...

If/when people move, then their farms move, too

You can't pack up a farm and move it.

So some idiots will die... this is a bad thing?

I'm not making any value judgements. Stuff happens. My main concern is that it not happen to me or to people I care about - and I don't much care for idiots. Most people are idiots .

 

[macdoc]

One of my colleagues brought my attention to the "below sea level" terrain in Antarctica and how ocean water could penetrate beneath and hasten dissolution of the western glacial masses.

That was news for me but I did not have a sense of how much ...now I do

Wow got a visual of Antarctic currently above sealevel...- floating away ice indeed

http://www.physorg.com/news153066381.html

That's almost half the continent is below current sea level.......that could get nasty rather quickly...

for reference Antarctica - (13,209,000 sq km) is 50% larger than the continental US.....no small chunk of land area.

 

[mhaze]

Your statement:

That's almost half the continent is below current sea level.......that could get nasty rather quickly...

Is the reverse of what the scientists actually say in your own link:

"We aren't suggesting that a collapse of the West Antarctic Ice Sheet is imminent," said Peter Clark, a professor of geosciences at Oregon State University.

How stupid do you think people are?

 

[CapelDodger]

Your statement:

That's almost half the continent is below current sea level.......that could get nasty rather quickly...

Is the reverse of what the scientists actually say in your own link:

"We aren't suggesting that a collapse of the West Antarctic Ice Sheet is imminent," said Peter Clark, a professor of geosciences at Oregon State University.

The quote continues :

""But these findings do suggest that if you are planning for sea level rise, you had better plan a little higher."

So they're not writing off the possibility, which would in fact be the reverse of what macdoc posted.

How stupid do you think people are?

I've yet to draw a line under how stupid people can be. Stupid enough to think that other people can't follow links is well within the normal range, in my experience.

 

[six7s]

How stupid do you think people are?

I've yet to draw a line under how stupid people can be. Stupid enough to think that other people can't follow links is well within the normal range, in my experience.

Is Lake Woebegone above average, altitude-wise?