4 things that conservatives predicted with an Obama relection

[Ladewig]

The right wing has this idea that immigrants only want in to America to wreak havoc via crime. This has historically never been true yet they cling to it anyways, generation after generation.

I have absolutely no evidence one way or the other, but it is fun to speculate how many of the most ardent anti-illegal-immigration folks have ancestors who may have told a lie during the immigration process or just ignored the law and snuck in.

 

[Elf Grinder 3000]

Interesting little fluff article. For those that don't want to actually go through it here are the (wrong) predictions.

1) Gas was supposed to be $6 a gallon because no Keystone pipeline.
2) Unemployment was supposed to still be sky high.
3) The stock market was supposed to have hit rock bottom.
4) California was supposed to collapse leading to red states being forced to bail it out.

http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2015/01/01/3607416/4-things-2015-obama-reelected/

Basically a bunch of nonsense that Obama would crash the economy in various ways because he hates America.

1. Fracking led to lower gas prices - mostly - this was a drop in price due to a change in supply not demand.

2. Unemployment is lower but if you look at the labor force participation we are the lowest in like 40 years. Republican's argued that fewer jobs are created when you raise taxes and spend them on welfare. By in large they are correct.

3. Republican's have been arguing that the fed is creating a bubble - see rick sentili
http://time.com/money/2982907/cnbcs-rick-santell-loses-it-over-fed-policy/

4. CA and IL are probably still going bankrupt

Democrats are raising taxes, increasing welfare spending and hurting the economy. We need a flat tax and massive spending cuts.

 

[Elf Grinder 3000]

The right wing has this idea that immigrants only want in to America to wreak havoc via crime. This has historically never been true yet they cling to it anyways, generation after generation.

I think the Republican argument is that massive immigration from latin america will be expensive since the Democrats are also pushing massive entitlement spending.

Why would anyone be in favor of allowing boatloads of poor people that taxpayers have to support?

Republican's say - hands off my money, if you want to come to this country fine just do it on your own dime.

QED...

 

[Gord_in_Toronto]

Ah!

 

[Gord_in_Toronto]

Remember her?

 

[The Don]

1. Fracking led to lower gas prices - mostly - this was a drop in price due to a change in supply not demand.

Evidence ?

 

[Random]

I have absolutely no evidence one way or the other, but it is fun to speculate how many of the most ardent anti-illegal-immigration folks have ancestors who may have told a lie during the immigration process or just ignored the law and snuck in.

Prior to the 1920's the immigration process was "Are you Chinese? No? Write your name here... That's it. Welcome to America. Next!"

Prior to the 1880's it was much the same, except they didn't have the part about being Chinese.

A lot of the people who state with pride that their ancestors didn't hop over the fence don't realize that there was no fence to hop over.

 

[Travis]

Mafia, Tongs, Bratva, Mexican drug cartels...

Not entirely a bizzaro concept.

ETA: Yakuza

Who are still a statistical minority. Do you really think the average immigrant is only doing so to immediately start robbing and raping in their new land?

I think the Republican argument is that massive immigration from latin america will be expensive since the Democrats are also pushing massive entitlement spending.

Why would anyone be in favor of allowing boatloads of poor people that taxpayers have to support?

Republican's say - hands off my money, if you want to come to this country fine just do it on your own dime.

QED...

Immigrants come to America to work not live on entitlements.

Also, you are wrong on California. $4 billion budget surplus.

 

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Ted Nugent said he'd commit suicide if Obama was elected.

Chuck Norris said re-electing Obama would bring on a thousand years of darkness.


And they're just the more rational ones.

 

[kookbreaker]

2. Unemployment is lower but if you look at the labor force participation we are the lowest in like 40 years.

Which is why Republicans want to gut Social Security so those lazy, retiring Baby Boomers will be forced back into the labor market.

Yes, that is hyperbole, but so is your gross misrepresentation of labor stats.

3. Republican's have been arguing that the fed is creating a bubble - see rick sentili
http://time.com/money/2982907/cnbcs-...er-fed-policy/

Republicans also argue that the Earth is only 10,000 years old.

I do like the reply he got on you link: "“There is no single piece of advice you’ve given that’s worked, Rick. Not a single one.”

 

[Mark6]

Chuck Norris said re-electing Obama would bring on a thousand years of darkness.

I had to look out the window. It is rather cloudy.

 

[Foolmewunz]

Ted Nugent said he'd commit suicide if Obama was elected.

Uh, can we get back to this one? Shouldn't someone start a petition on Change.Org to get him to follow through on this?

 

[Armitage72]

Ted Nugent said he'd commit suicide if Obama was elected.

I think it was more that he was expecting to be killed when the Democrats started rounding up Republicans.
His quote in April 2012 was "If Barack Obama becomes the president in November, again, I will either be dead or in jail by this time next year."


It reminds me of the episode of Law & Order: Special Victims Unit in which Detective Munch (the conspiracy nut) requested a copy of his "FBI file" and was disappointed to discover that it was a manila folder containing one sheet of paper.
Sorry Ted, you're just not that important, except in your own mind.

 

[pharphis]

I think it was more that he was expecting to be killed when the Democrats started rounding up Republicans.
His quote in April 2012 was "If Barack Obama becomes the president in November, again, I will either be dead or in jail by this time next year."


It reminds me of the episode of Law & Order: Special Victims Unit in which Detective Munch (the conspiracy nut) requested a copy of his "FBI file" and was disappointed to discover that it was a manila folder containing one sheet of paper.
Sorry Ted, you're just not that important, except in your own mind.

Sounds like a guilty conscience
He must have done some(things) really naughty

 

[pgwenthold]

Immigrants come to America to work not live on entitlements.

Immigrants are an amazing folk. They come to America to steal jobs from hard working Americans AND to cash in on the entitlements.

 

[Shalamar]

Immigrants are an amazing folk. They come to America to steal jobs from hard working Americans AND to cash in on the entitlements.

Damn. I must be doing it wrong. I've stolen a job from a Hard working American, but I'm not cashing in on the entitlements.

How do I do both?

 

[Elf Grinder 3000]

Evidence ?

Economic reasoning behind supply and demand
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supply_and_demand

American oil production at 25 year high
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-12-11/fracking-boom-pushes-u-s-oil-output-to-25-year-high.html

 

[Elf Grinder 3000]

Who are still a statistical minority. Do you really think the average immigrant is only doing so to immediately start robbing and raping in their new land?



Immigrants come to America to work not live on entitlements.

Also, you are wrong on California. $4 billion budget surplus.

You. are. dead. wrong.

57% of immigrants from mexico on welfare
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-12-11/fracking-boom-pushes-u-s-oil-output-to-25-year-high.html

Head of household Immigrants on welfare by country - mexico is 75% and the UK is 7%
http://cis.org/immigrant-welfare-use-2011

It makes a big difference where the immigrant comes from in terms of the handouts they recieve.

 

[kookbreaker]

You. are. dead. wrong.

57% of immigrants from mexico on welfare
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-12-11/fracking-boom-pushes-u-s-oil-output-to-25-year-high.html

What a lovely article on oil output!

 

[Puppycow]

1. Fracking led to lower gas prices - mostly - this was a drop in price due to a change in supply not demand.

2. Unemployment is lower but if you look at the labor force participation we are the lowest in like 40 years. Republican's argued that fewer jobs are created when you raise taxes and spend them on welfare. By in large they are correct.

3. Republican's have been arguing that the fed is creating a bubble - see rick sentili
http://time.com/money/2982907/cnbcs-rick-santell-loses-it-over-fed-policy/

4. CA and IL are probably still going bankrupt

Democrats are raising taxes, increasing welfare spending and hurting the economy. We need a flat tax and massive spending cuts.

All textbook examples of the Moving the Goalposts fallacy.