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390 Peer-Reviewed Papers Supporting Skepticism of "Man-Made" Global Warming

You've presented no evidence...only a laundry of vaguely related papers some of which are dated and many of which are tainted with "paid for opinion" pieces and some downright ludicrous like your Iron Sun offering.

The only evidence is of manufactured controversy on your end.....no science of any quality at all which is why the world is moving on at Copenhagen.
 
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I think its telling that they need to use Appeal To Authority to support their case, which would be bad enough, but then when you go and examine the claim of authority support, its ashes and rust.

Poptech's claims more properly should be classified as Appeals To Popularity, which are even weaker than Appeals To Authority. The OP is really an Appeal To False Popularity, since not all of the papers in Poptech's list actually argue against AGW.
 
You claim that over 31,000 "scientists" signed a skeptical petition and yet you can only find a handful of papers from refereed journals that argue against AGW?
I have found over 450 papers not a handful.

Poptech's claims more properly should be classified as Appeals To Popularity, which are even weaker than Appeals To Authority. The OP is really an Appeal To False Popularity, since not all of the papers in Poptech's list actually argue against AGW.
All the papers support skepticism of AGW or the economic and environmental effects. You have yet to prove otherwise.
 
You've presented no evidence...only a laundry of vaguely related papers some of which are dated and
I have presented 450 papers supporting skepticism of AGW or the environmental or economic effects.

...many of which are tainted with "paid for opinion" pieces
Prove it.

....no science of any quality at all which is why the world is moving on at Copenhagen.
There is extensive science of high quality in the volume of papers I presented.
 
There is extensive science of high quality in the volume of papers I presented.




Then let's just pick one and see how the science in it holds up to scrutiny.

We know the neutron sun one doesn't.

Why don't you pick the one you can defend the best.

Peer review is only an invitation to the party, it doesn't get you on the dance floor.
 
Position statements by scientific organizations do not represent their members when no vote by the membership was taken on them.

Might not represent their members' views. (Just as I might be the King of Siam.) You jump from that to do not.

If they didn't then there would be an outcry from the membership. Just look what's happening to the US Chamber of Commerce right now. That would be happening in these scientific associations. And yet it isn't.

For you, of course, this is not sufficient argument. You demand that they vote on it and until they do you're not going to give the matter a thought. How comforting for you. And how comforting it would be to discover (if they did vote) that the votes had been fraudulent. Which I'm sure you would. Or Pat Michaels would for you, at a price.
 
All the papers support skepticism of AGW or the economic and environmental effects. You have yet to prove otherwise.

No, not all of the papers disagree with the AGW consensus. For example, this paper:

The Sun–Earth Connection in Time Scales from Years to Decades and Centuries
(Space Science Reviews, Volume 95, Numbers 1-2, pp. 625-637, January 2001)
- T.I. Pulkkinen, H. Nevanlinna, P.J. Pulkkinen, M. Lockwood

Nowhere in that paper do they dispute the consensus position on AGW. In fact, co-author Lockwood is the same Lockwood who co-wrote (along with Claus Froehlich) "Recent oppositely directed trends in solar climate forcings and the global mean surface air temperature" (link), which strongly disputes the pet theory of deniers that solar activity explains current global warming. This paper has been very damaging to the denialist position, as a Google search of "Lockwood and Froehlich" demonstrates.

The vast majority of the papers you list are in journals published by trade organizations or think tanks. Many of those papers present no science. Furthermore, many papers you list are over 15 years old, and climate science has progressed rapidly in that time. Of the few recent papers from reputable climate science journals you listed, none of them dispute the AGW consensus. More than a few of the authors listed would be quite upset to know their work is being touted as supporting a denialist position.
 
More than a few of the authors listed would be quite upset to know their work is being touted as supporting a denialist position.

good idea - shall we divide the papers up and contact the authors for clarification or at least look at their current position via other work??
 
Then let's just pick one and see how the science in it holds up to scrutiny.
That is for the peer-review process. Any criticism of a peer-review paper is published along with the author's response. If any of the papers have objections they would be commented on (which would include an author's reply) in the peer-reviewed literature.
 
No, not all of the papers disagree with the AGW consensus.
Please stop with the straw man arguments. I never said they all disagree with AGW theory (which is not a consensus). I said they all support skepticism of "man-made" global warming or the environmental or economic effects.

Nowhere in that paper do they dispute the consensus position on AGW.
I made no claim it disputes AGW. It supports skepticism of AGW by supporting a solar influence on temperatures. From the paper...

"The long-term data sets suggest that the increase in geomagnetic activity and surface temperatures are related... to longer-term solar variations."

In fact, co-author Lockwood is the same Lockwood who co-wrote (along with Claus Froehlich) "Recent oppositely directed trends in solar climate forcings and the global mean surface air temperature" (link), which strongly disputes the pet theory of deniers that solar activity explains current global warming.
It has not been damaging but widely disputed.

Reply to Lockwood and Fröhlich - The persistent role of the Sun in climate forcing (PDF) (The Danish National Space Center)
A Critique on the Lockwood/Frochlich Paper in the Royal Society Proceedings (PDF) (Science and Public Policy Institute)
Shining More Light on the Solar Factor (PDF) (Joseph D’Aleo, M.S. Meteorology, CCM, AMS Fellow)
The "unruly sunne" cannot be ruled out as a cause of recent climate variation (PDF) (Science and Public Policy Institute)

The vast majority of the papers you list are in journals published by trade organizations or think tanks.
Not true.

Many of those papers present no science.
Most of them do present science, the ones that do not are in relation to the economic issues.

Furthermore, many papers you list are over 15 years old
Less than 4% but the age of a paper has nothing to do with the science.

Of the few recent papers from reputable climate science journals you listed, none of them dispute the AGW consensus.
There is an extensive amount of recent papers from reputable journals and they all support skepticism of AGW.
 
That is for the peer-review process. Any criticism of a peer-review paper is published along with the author's response. If any of the papers have objections they would be commented on (which would include an author's reply) in the peer-reviewed literature.


So, did Energy and Environment publish any criticism of the Manuel paper? Did they miss the parts about the Sun being a neutron star, a supernova remnant and being 100 AU in diameter.

Here is another challenge, if you can show that Energy and Environment has published criticisms of those published elements of Manuel's paper, then we can consider Energy and Environment has passed a test of it's peer review process.


And if not, then the only conclusion acceptable to me and any other skeptic is that Energy and Environment is not a peer reviewed journal.

They either do peer review or they don't.
 
Name 4 papers from 2009 from "reputable journals" that establish your contention that mainstream AGW science is in doubt and explain WHY they support your thesis.

You're saying so is worth less than nothing...show us the evidence of your contention. :popcorn1

We'll wait...
 
Then let's just pick one and see how the science in it holds up to scrutiny. ...
Good idea ...

That is for the peer-review process. Any criticism of a peer-review paper is published along with the author's response. If any of the papers have objections they would be commented on (which would include an author's reply) in the peer-reviewed literature.
Not quite, the policy on comment, and response, varies by journal. Some offer no space (at all) for rebuttal, others limit discussion.
 
Please stop with the straw man arguments. I never said they all disagree with AGW theory (which is not a consensus). I said they all support skepticism of "man-made" global warming or the environmental or economic effects.

Please stop moving the goalposts and settle on a definition of "skepticism" in the context of AGW. I suspect you are working on a definition that differs from that commonly accepted here and in the climate science field. When you come up with a concrete definition, I suggest you post it along with your list in order to avoid these types of arguments.

I made no claim it disputes AGW. It supports skepticism of AGW by supporting a solar influence on temperatures. From the paper...

"The long-term data sets suggest that the increase in geomagnetic activity and surface temperatures are related... to longer-term solar variations."

First off, you just misquoted that paper. The sentence does not end there, it continues on to say, "which probably include an increasing trend superposed with a cyclic behavior with a period of about 90 years". What do you think that increasing trend is? Second off, how does this support "skepticism", by your definition?

It has not been damaging but widely disputed.

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Science is not a popularity contest. All it takes is one paper to send the whole AGW consensus crashing down. Please tell me how those papers rebut Lockwood and Frohlich and why the arguments in the rebuttals are scientifically sound. I can't be bothered to wade through a bunch of garbage from the Science & Public Policy Institute. You're the one claiming the paper is "controversial", so explain to me, what's the controversy?

Not true. Most of them do present science, the ones that do not are in relation to the economic issues.

It seems I was a bit hasty with my numbers. Upon further investigation, I identified 97 papers published in non-academic journals like E&E, Regulation, and the Quarterly Journal of Austrian Economics. However, this still leaves all the papers published in extremely obscure journals like South African Journal of Science and Proceedings of the Estonian Academy of Sciences. It also leaves out papers published in journals not read by climatologists, like Public Administration Review and Social Studies of Science.

Also, you also inflate the numbers by including replies, letters and commentary, which are generally not subject to the same peer review process as full-length papers, if subject to any at all. Furthermore, there are a few papers listed that have not yet been published, and they may not have yet gone through peer review. Your claim that all of the papers are "peer reviewed" is very shaky at best, if not an outright lie.

Less than 4% but the age of a paper has nothing to do with the science. There is an extensive amount of recent papers from reputable journals and they all support skepticism of AGW.

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Again it is up to you to define "skepticism of AGW" and how these papers support it. Simply listing off hundreds of papers, with no annotations and only a handful of relevant quotations, and expecting everyone else to do the hard work is not going to cut it.
 
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Less than 4% but the age of a paper has nothing to do with the science.

I made a comment on this in my previous post, which was edited out. I guess it couldn't have been rephrased without compromising my argument. I'll take this opportunity to expand on it.

The relevance of a paper's age is relative to the discipline. In mathematics, a 15 year old paper would be considered recent. But mathematics is a truly ancient discipline, and the foundations of modern mathematics have been in place for hundreds of years. Compare this to climatology, a fledgling discipline which is still too small to get its own department at most institutions. 15 years represents a significant chunk of the very existence of the field. When I did literature critiques in undergrad climate science courses, I was told not to review papers over ten years old because they are likely obsolete. So you see, the age of a paper is very important in climate science.
 
.... First off, you just misquoted that paper. The sentence does not end there, it continues on to say, "which probably include an increasing trend superposed with a cyclic behavior with a period of about 90 years". What do you think that increasing trend is? Second off, how does this support "skepticism", by your definition?......

You refer here to the well known "secular trend", eg, a background slow temperature rise. You see it and the cycle, more or less, in my little chart:



I've not read the paper and have no interest in doing so, but feel it worth pointing out where this leads:

Hypothesis: The secular trend is 100% AGW.

This has two problems

  1. That trend has been around for quite a while. Like before we had an effect, if we are having one.
  2. That refutes the AGW argument that "Most of the warming since 1950 is likely due to man's effect".
You are welcome to take that where you think it should lead, and if you don't see the complications and contradictions, I'll be happy to explain them.
 
So, did Energy and Environment publish any criticism of the Manuel paper?
I do not believe one has been submitted, if you can prove one has and was refused publication I would be interested in knowing.

Here is another challenge, if you can show that Energy and Environment has published criticisms of those published elements of Manuel's paper, then we can consider Energy and Environment has passed a test of it's peer review process.
If no criticism was submitted how can it be published?

And if not, then the only conclusion acceptable to me and any other skeptic is that Energy and Environment is not a peer reviewed journal.
Yes they have published replies before.
 

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