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33 Conspiracy Theories that were true

"Eight Men OUt' is one of the few really good movies Charlie Sheen has made......one of John Sayles' best.

I have a theory ,btw, that working with Oliver Stone so much is where Sheen caught the Conspiracy Bug.

There's no way the 1919 World Series was a conspiracy, they would have been caught if they tried:

9/11 and the 1919 Chicago Black Sox World Series Conspiracy
By Rolf Lindgren and Dr. Kevin Barrett

To many, a large conspiracy involving unthinkable actions cannot happen. And if it could, the people involved would never get away with it, especially if they seem too incompetent to pull it off. But the 1919 Chicago Black Sox scandal is proof that this is not true.

In 1919, the World Series was the pre-eminent sporting event in the United States and baseball was America’s national pastime. It had produced legends like Ty Cobb, Honus Wagner, Christy Mathewson, and Walter Johnson, with Babe Ruth just getting started. Only professional boxing, horseracing, college football, and the Olympics, provided any competition at all to baseball’s dominance in the sporting world. And the 1919 Chicago White Sox, champions of the American League, were viewed as a superteam, almost invincible, and certain to beat the Cincinnati Reds in the World Series. The White Sox had won the World Series in 1917 and 1918 was a war year. Now, in 1919 the mighty White Sox had the legendary outfielder Shoeless Joe Jackson, with a career .356 batting average. The White Sox led the league in batting average and runs scored. They had Hall-of-Famers at second base (Eddie Collins) and catcher (Ray Schalk). For star pitchers, they had Eddie Cicotte with a 29-7 win/loss record, Lefty Williams who went 23-11, and Hall-of-Famer Red Faber as well. Even the team’s owner, Charlie “Commie” Comiskey, is in the Hall-of-fame. They had above average players at all positions, including Buck Weaver at third base, a man who belongs in the baseball Hall of Fame, but isn’t, because he was smeared by this scandal.

Given all this, it was unthinkable that the White Sox would throw the Series to gamblers, but they did. Exactly three weeks before the Series began, first baseman Chick Gandil began his plan.

MORE:

http://www.barrettforcongress.us/blacksox.htm

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To many, a large conspiracy involving unthinkable actions cannot happen. And if it could, the people involved would never get away with it, especially if they seem too incompetent to pull it off. But the 1919 Chicago Black Sox scandal is proof that this is not true.
so the proof that people can get away with large conspiracies, is a relatively small conspiracy (8 players) who DIDN'T get away with it?
 
so how do we know about it?

and i guess what i heard about those guys being banned from baseball was all just wishful thinking too

They were aquitted at trial. They got to play an extra season (1920). They collected their World Series bonus checks. They got away with it.

Gandil came out way ahead.

Swede Risberg only had a salary of $300, he came out ahead.

Weaver and Jackson didn't come out ahead, but they weren't in the conspiracy.

Cicotte was getting old, he came out ahead.

McMullen was a scrub, he came out ahead.

Happy Felsh came out ahead financially.

The only player who you could arghue that didn't get ahead finacially was Lefty Williams. He was young. But pitchers in those days could hurt their arm anytime. he would have had to play 5 seasons to make up for what he got.

The gamblers got away with it, too.
 
They were aquitted at trial. They got to play an extra season (1920). They collected their World Series bonus checks. They got away with it.
they did not collect bonus checks, they were paid the prize money for the 2nd place team, later, the members of the team NOT implicated in the scandal were given a bonus check amounting to difference between the 1st and 2nd place winnings

and your claim they came out ahead is highly dubious, had they not thrown the game they would have certainly had longer careers than just 1 season following the series, and would also have earned much more money than they got from the fix

it also discounts anything they could have done following their baseball career, such as coaching, scouting, reporting, etc. these men were pariahs for the rest of their lives, how you can call that coming out ahead is beyond me
 
they did not collect bonus checks, they were paid the prize money for the 2nd place team, later, the members of the team NOT implicated in the scandal were given a bonus check amounting to difference between the 1st and 2nd place winnings

and your claim they came out ahead is highly dubious, had they not thrown the game they would have certainly had longer careers than just 1 season following the series, and would also have earned much more money than they got from the fix

it also discounts anything they could have done following their baseball career, such as coaching, scouting, reporting, etc. these men were pariahs for the rest of their lives, how you can call that coming out ahead is beyond me

The average pay of the six crooked players was less than $4000 per season.

http://www.barrettforcongress.us/blacksox.htm

That's 2 1/2 seasons worth, plus the season they did play. A lot of these players didn't have 3 1/2 seasons left at starting pay.

The players also made a lot of money gambling their own money, on top of the direct money from the gamblers. The book says they continued gambling the following season. With the low salaries these players had, a few $500 bets would almost equal their salary.

And again, the players were aquitted at trail. That means they got away with it. The gamblers weren't even put on trial. That means they got away with it. Arnold Rothstein made about $300,000 or more.

The decision by the Commissioner was arbritray because he kicked two innocent players out of the league.
 
What many of the posts in this thread illustrate is that you 'debunkers' generally care less about documented instances of barbarism and extreme criminality - things like plans to deceive the public into wars that kill thousands, death squads gunning down scores of innocent people, actual fascist elements being supported in carrying out false flag terrorist attacks in Operation Gladio - than you do complaining about 'conspiracy theorists' who cause no actual physical harm to anyone. You care more about the supposed 'emotional harm' done to the victims of 9/11 by the spread of 'conspiracy theories', (nevermind that at least some victims' family members actually agree with them), than you do the actual victimization of countless times more people in imperialistic wars and black operations. Someone brings up something like Operation Northwoods and all most of you do is yawn. Do you like that the government lies to us constantly in order to get the country to support never ending wars of aggression? The question of whether 9/11 was a false flag op or not is important in my opinion but the bigger truth that's undeniable is that the U.S.'s foreign policy is deranged and has murdered tens of millions of people needlessly. The Gulf of Tonkin is a arguably a bigger crime than 9/11 if it was a false flag.
 
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The SUPPOSED emotional harm? Are you suggesting people aren't upset when the twoof movement claims someone's father isn't dead, he's just hiding from them?
 
What many of the posts in this thread illustrate is that you 'debunkers' generally care less about documented instances of barbarism and extreme criminality - things like plans to deceive the public into wars that kill thousands, death squads gunning down scores of innocent people, actual fascist elements being supported in carrying out false flag terrorist attacks in Operation Gladio - than you do complaining about 'conspiracy theorists' who cause no actual physical harm to anyone. You care more about the supposed 'emotional harm' done to the victims of 9/11 by the spread of 'conspiracy theories', (nevermind that at least some victims' family members actually agree with them), than you do the actual victimization of countless times more people in imperialistic wars and black operations. Someone brings up something like Operation Northwoods and all most of you do is yawn. Do you like that the government lies to us constantly in order to get the country to support never ending wars of aggression? The question of whether 9/11 was a false flag op or not is important in my opinion but the bigger truth that's undeniable is that the U.S.'s foreign policy is deranged and has murdered tens of millions of people needlessly. The Gulf of Tonkin is a arguably a bigger crime than 9/11 if it was a false flag.

100% wrong.

What this thread demonstrate is that skeptics (that is, rational people exercising scientific skepticism) care more about reality and real threats than imaginary boogie men conjured up by conspiracy theorists.
 
What many of the posts in this thread illustrate is that you 'debunkers' generally care less about documented instances of barbarism and extreme criminality - things like plans to deceive the public into wars that kill thousands, death squads gunning down scores of innocent people, actual fascist elements being supported in carrying out false flag terrorist attacks in Operation Gladio - than you do complaining about 'conspiracy theorists' who cause no actual physical harm to anyone.

Where do you get off saying we don't care about death squads? One of the reasons a lot of us were happy to see someone battling the Taliban was because they did have death squads.

You care more about the supposed 'emotional harm' done to the victims of 9/11 by the spread of 'conspiracy theories', (nevermind that at least some victims' family members actually agree with them), than you do the actual victimization of countless times more people in imperialistic wars and black operations. Someone brings up something like Operation Northwoods and all most of you do is yawn. Do you like that the government lies to us constantly in order to get the country to support never ending wars of aggression?

The reason we yawn about Operation Northwoods is because it didn't happen. It was just one brainstormed idea amongst many others that never happened. And what "lies" and "wars of aggression" are you talking about? I suspect you are using very different definitions for those than I do.

The question of whether 9/11 was a false flag op or not is important in my opinion but the bigger truth that's undeniable is that the U.S.'s foreign policy is deranged and has murdered tens of millions of people needlessly. The Gulf of Tonkin is a arguably a bigger crime than 9/11 if it was a false flag.

It wasn't a false flag. And the Vietnam War was hardly a crime. It was a noble cause that didn't work out with some elements of it that were brutal and inexcusable.
 
It wasn't a false flag. And the Vietnam War was hardly a crime. It was a noble cause that didn't work out with some elements of it that were brutal and inexcusable.

Noble cause?

Keeping the hated Ngo Dinh Diem dictatorship in power (who Kennedy had assassinated because he was so bad)? Making sure Vietnam stayed a pawn of its Western (formerly French) Colonial masters, denying it the right to self -determination after finally defeating the french in a long bloody war?

Some brutal elements?

Dropping 3 times more bomb tonnage in Vietnam than in all of WW II, and as many as WW II in Cambodia during a secret bombing campaign that even the Secretary general of the Air force was unaware of?

What the hell do you know about Vietnam?
Obviously jack squat.

Oh, and in case you did not notice, there was no massive red terror campaign after the US was defeated, and the rest of the world did not fall communist as predicted by the domino theory. So the entire noble cause was based upon hypothetical fear mongering.
 
Noble cause?

Keeping the hated Ngo Dinh Diem dictatorship in power (who Kennedy had assassinated because he was so bad)? Making sure Vietnam stayed a pawn of its Western (formerly French) Colonial masters, denying it the right to self -determination after finally defeating the french in a long bloody war?

Some brutal elements?

Dropping 3 times more bomb tonnage in Vietnam than in all of WW II, and as many as WW II in Cambodia during a secret bombing campaign that even the Secretary general of the Air force was unaware of?

What the hell do you know about Vietnam?
Obviously jack squat.

Oh, and in case you did not notice, there was no massive red terror campaign after the US was defeated, and the rest of the world did not fall communist as predicted by the domino theory. So the entire noble cause was based upon hypothetical fear mongering.

Hmm, you seem to forget that the whole thing was about protecting an ally from invasion by a neighbor.
 

Indeed. Ask an Vietnamese immigrant to the US how much of a wonderful utopia we were fighting over there. Why, it was so wonderful the guy at the local food distribution place just had to run through a minefield to escape the wonders of Communist Vietnam.
 
What's ironic is that we now know that the Soviets had no intention of getting too involved and had we been more aggressive early on the war might have been short and have spared a lot of people a lot of suffering.
 

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