2nd Amendment for the U.K. -- long overdue

Resume said:
A shotgun isn't a gun?
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Bless, I can see you've not followed all the posts.

Shotguns and sundry other firearms are legal in the UK, indeed there are rather a few of them, and no-one is particularly suggesting otherwise. Thus the target-shooting type activities suggested can proceed unhindered.

What I'm wondering is how the inablity to procure other types of firearms such as (say) autmatic weapons would thus be a restriction on said sports.
 
Polaris said:
Apparently a handgun and a shotgun can't be automatic either.
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I think you'll find that we're all quite aware that they're available in semi- and automatic variants, Mr. Smarty Pants
 
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Architect said:
Well I can't speak for plinking, because I don't know what it is, but I think you'll find that it tends to be shotguns used for the first two and they're legal here - indeed me and the lads do it now and again. Never saw anyone doing it with a handgun or automatic weapon, mind you.....
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Not only is it legal but it is that common that you'll often see landowners having signs like "No Shooting" displayed next to the public footpaths. Indeed my local park has one, along with its "No golfing" prohibition. And during the hunting season around here you hear the "hunters" shooting the pheasants most days. (I put "hunters" in brackets because it usually involves some well off folk paying a few hundred quid to try and shoot one of the stupidest birds in the world, that were tipped out of their cages about an hour before being shot.)
 
Architect said:
Bless, I can see you've not followed all the posts.

Shotguns and sundry other firearms are legal in the UK, indeed there are rather a few of them, and no-one is particularly suggesting otherwise. Thus the target-shooting type activities suggested can proceed unhindered.

What I'm wondering is how the inablity to procure other types of firearms such as (say) autmatic weapons would thus be a restriction on said sports.
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It would mean that fully-automatic firearms (I'm assuming that's what you are referring to here, since you make the distinction from semi-automatics above) are not available for the shooting sports.

Pet peeve mode: Why are semi-automatic and fully-automatic firearms always referred to as "weapons" when other types of firearms are not? You don't hear about "bolt-action weapons" or "muzzle-loading weapons". Even the smaller, cheaper handguns used in most crimes are rarely referred to as such.
 
Polaris said:
It would mean that fully-automatic firearms (I'm assuming that's what you are referring to here, since you make the distinction from semi-automatics above) are not available for the shooting sports.
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And in what recognised sports are automatic and semi-automatic rifles/shotguns normally used?
 
At some CPD meeting I managed not to sleep all the way through, someone mentioned the number of pheasants bred in captivity each year, so that they can be turned loose and shot (or hit by cars or whatever). It was a helluva lot. Then there are partridges, grouse and so on.... Most of them do end up on the wrong end of a parcel of lead, too.

What's lacking here is the culture that every home should have one, that a man isn't a real man unless he's "packing heat", and that you're not properly dressed without some semi-automatic battlefield ordnance slung over your shoulder.

I had a toy gun when I was a kid too. It's expected that one grows out of this. Americans are like a bunch of little boys who never quite grew out of going dressed to play cowboys and indians.

Rolfe.
 
Rolfe said:
I had a toy gun when I was a kid too. It's expected that one grows out of this. Americans are like a bunch of little boys who never quite grew out of going dressed to play cowboys and indians.Rolfe.
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Nice stereotype.
 
GlennB said:
There is no point. UNLovedRebel created the thread as a plain trollish manoeuvre - as demonstrated by the opening phrase - and has succeeded.



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Yup. Payback for all the British trolls trying to act as if they know anything about American politics or gun safety. "POLICE OFFICERS SHOULD FIRE WARNING SHOTS FIRST!" :rolleyes:
 
elbe said:
It's a simile.

Personally, as an American, and I find the gun culture in the US scary.
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It's not a simile it's a generalization. And as a fellow American, and a gun owner, I know I don't resemble that generalization. Nor do the people I shoot with.
 
UNLoVedRebel said:
Yup. Payback for all the British trolls trying to act as if they know anything about American politics or gun safety. "POLICE OFFICERS SHOULD FIRE WARNING SHOTS FIRST!" :rolleyes:
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Well you sure taught us a lesson there. I don't think any of us Brits will be doing that again any time soon.

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If there's one thing the Whitehaven incident might suggest, it's that police should be armed. A cop or cops got very close to Bird very early in the proceedings, but without a gun, they had to take cover and he got away. The nearest armed officers were ten miles away.

But there's no public call for any such thing. This is one incident. If it was repeated, perhaps that would change. But at the moment, the discomfort people feel about the idea of armed police seems to outweigh any increased feeling of security against a once-in-ten-years nutcase.

The idea of arming a whole bunch more potential Michael Ryans, Thomas Hamiltons and Derrick Birds, however, is just bat-squeak insane.

Rolfe.
 
Resume said:
It's not a simile it's a generalization. And as a fellow American, and a gun owner, I know I don't resemble that generalization. Nor do the people I shoot with.
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It's an observation. And you know what they say about lack of self-awareness. Frankly, all the talk in the US gun threads, even from the endearing end of the spectrum, sounds like a bunch of small boys who just got the money for something a lot cooler than a cap gun.

Rolfe.
 
Architect said:
Did we mention again that the chance sof any of us encountering gun crime are much, much, much lower than the US?
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Gun crime, yes. Violent assaults, no. Homocides, depends. North Dakota, New Hampshire, and Utah all have lower homocide rates than the U.K. Many states are at the same homocide level, or slightly above the U.K. level. Maine, Vermont, Montana, Idaho all have near U.K. level homocide levels. But those states don't allow criminals to terrorize its citizens like the U.K. does. If individual gun rights were the problem, we'd see a random distribution of homocides in the U.S. But they're not, they're concentrated in certain areas. We can conclude that individual gun ownership is not the problem.
 
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lionking said:
You're just trolling now. Melbourne has 4 million people and there is not a street I wouldn't happily and safely walk down unarmed. Can you name a city of the same size in the USA where you would do this?
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San Francisco
 
Rolfe said:
It's an observation. And you know what they say about lack of self-awareness. Frankly, all the talk in the US gun threads, even from the endearing end of the spectrum, sounds like a bunch of small boys who just got the money for something a lot cooler than a cap gun.

Rolfe.
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Know many (any) U.S. gun owners? If you don't, it's not much of an observation. More like an uninformed opinion. I'm pretty self-aware, and can easily recognize when someone misrepresents a group of people.
 
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zooterkin said:
I'm sorry, I'm clearly being obtuse, but could you fill in the steps that lead from your second sentence to that 'Obviously'?

Are you saying that all gun deaths are due to Mexicans? Or Canadians?
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I wasn't really clear. My point was that the saying "If guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns" applies more towards the U.S. than it does to the U.K.

Guns will find their way into the U.S. even if guns were criminalized.
 
Rolfe said:
Anybody feel terrorised?

Really?

I'm sorry if I hit a nerve, Resume, but maybe you need to think about how juvenile it all is.

Rolfe.
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It was a reference to the article linked in post # 25

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