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Roger Ramjets said:
1 million Americans who died of Covid might object to that, except they can't because their dead.
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This bollocks again?

America's death rate was no worse than many other, similar countries. Blaming Trump for the number of dead is idiotic and speculative, but it doesn't stop idiots speculating.

Roger Ramjets said:
Your shtick is becoming toxic. Next you'll be a full-on Trump supporter, as well as denying Global Warming and Covid. :mad:
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More BS. I deny neither, but I refuse to allow shrieking morons to blame every storm on climate change, or suggest the entire world should mask up to try to defeat something that can't be defeated.

There is zero chance of me becoming a Trump supporter, but seeing him win will piss off enough whining liberal twats that it's going to be worth it for the comedic value.

I repeat:

Thomas Jefferson said:
The government you elect is the government you deserve
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The Atheist said:
This bollocks again?

America's death rate was no worse than many other, similar countries. Blaming Trump for the number of dead is idiotic and speculative, but it doesn't stop idiots speculating.
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No. US Had a higher deathrate per 100,000 than any similar country. By far.

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality

We also had a higher excess death rate than most countries.

The reason you can blame Trump for a good part of the death rate is that he removed the pandemic response unit from the National Security Council (which reports directly to the White House) and cut the CDC pandemic response budget.


Public health and national security experts shake their heads when President Donald Trump says the coronavirus “came out of nowhere” and “blindsided the world.”

They’ve been warning about the next pandemic for years and criticized the Trump administration’s decision in 2018 to dismantle a National Security Council directorate at the White House charged with preparing for when, not if, another pandemic would hit the nation.

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Trump’s elimination of the office suggested, along with his proposed budget cuts for the CDC, that he did not see the threat of pandemics in the same way that many experts in the field did.
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And Trump ignored the pandemic playbook and failed to listen to experts in the field.


Trump disbanded NSC pandemic unit that experts had praised | AP News


Trump team failed to follow NSC’s pandemic playbook - POLITICO
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Trump has claimed that his administration could not have foreseen the coronavirus pandemic, which has spread to all 50 states and more than 180 nations, sickening more than 460,000 people around the world. “Nobody ever expected a thing like this,” Trump said in a Fox News interview on Tuesday.

But Trump’s aides were told to expect a potential pandemic, ranging from a tabletop exercise that the outgoing Obama administration prepared for the president’s incoming aides to a “Crimson Contagion” scenario that health officials undertook just last year and modeled out potential risks of a global infectious disease threat. Trump’s deputies also have said that their coronavirus response relies on a federal playbook, specifically referring to a strategy laid out by the Centers for Disease Control.
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That's not speculation. That's in the record.
 
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ChrisBFRPKY said:
That's an interesting assessment. It leads one to question who these folks from this highly radical and deeply Blue Democrat area support. So which side of the voting scale should one believe the "ANTIFA" folks are drawn to? I'll give you a hint. Biden once said ""Antifa is an idea not an organization." I think you know.


You see, you've moved the goalpost away from my topic of Liberal general views and why I don't see Liberals as being less than human to mainstream political candidates. It may surprise you to learn that I view both current candidates as immoral men. Only one of the two has policies I agree with though.


Nope. It's about returning our country to economic prosperity and security while ensuring peace and prosperity for the rest of the World thru communication, Military strength and leadership, again. It's about relieving the pressure from low income families so they're able to afford food for their families and a home to live in without having to make hard choices or having off brand breakfast cereal for dinner. It's about hands off the children. Republicans don't care what kind of weird sex you're having, we just want you to stop telling children about it. What a shocker. I'll bet you thought it was about gas chambers and thousand year reichs.



That's straight out of the Liberal playbook. Go ahead, tell me how Trump is the one with Dementia in age related cognitive decline and how Biden has "stamina". Nancy Pelosi would be proud. (as those were her talking points immediately after the debate, but now I'm not so sure, things change)
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look around you. wherever you are, and think about whether you'd be better off economically if you'd paid huge tariffs on literally everything that was imported.
 
CarbShark said:
No. US Had a higher deathrate per 100,000 than any similar country. By far.
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For Zarquon's sake, how are you able to type that without your tongue turning black?

The country by far most similar to USA is your actual neighbour, Canada.

Their death rate was higher than USA, so clearly Trudeau is more incompetent and damaging than Trump.

Here, let me prove you wrong with your own evidence:

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality
 
According to that webpage, Canada's case fatality ratio was slightly higher than the U.S.'s. Each one had a case fatality ratio of about 1.1%.

The death rate per 100,000 population was 341.11 in the U.S. and 135.23 in Canada.
 
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According to that webpage, Canada's case fatality ratio was slightly higher than the U.S.'s. Each one had a case fatality ratio of about 1.1%.

The death rate per 100,000 population was 341.11 in the U.S. and 135.23 in Canada.

The probability of dying of covid, if one had contracted covid, was about the same in both countries. The probability of contracting covid was much higher in the States.
 
The Atheist said:
This bollocks again?

America's death rate was no worse than many other, similar countries. Blaming Trump for the number of dead is idiotic and speculative, but it doesn't stop idiots speculating.



More BS. I deny neither, but I refuse to allow shrieking morons to blame every storm on climate change, or suggest the entire world should mask up to try to defeat something that can't be defeated.

There is zero chance of me becoming a Trump supporter, but seeing him win will piss off enough whining liberal twats that it's going to be worth it for the comedic value.

I repeat:
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Wow. Grade for writing an example of an offensive, ugly, insult laden rant: A+
 
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The Atheist said:
For Zarquon's sake, how are you able to type that without your tongue turning black?

The country by far most similar to USA is your actual neighbour, Canada.

Their death rate was higher than USA, so clearly Trudeau is more incompetent and damaging than Trump.

Here, let me prove you wrong with your own evidence:

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality
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I regret to inform you that the web site has two selectable data sets in the graph.
"The observed case fatality ratio" button is active when you first visit the web site.
You must click the "Death per 100,000" button to see the data he is talking about.
 
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Interesting brief from the economist:

Joe Biden, America’s president, vowed to return to the campaign trail next week after self-isolating with covid. Meanwhile more Democrats called on him to abandon his re-election bid. Mark Takano, a congressman from California, joined a number of other lawmakers in calling on Mr Biden to “pass the torch” to Kamala Harris, the vice-president. More than 30 Democratic members of Congress have now called on Mr Biden to step aside.
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Posted about six hours ago, and rather surprising. I haven't really read any similar reports elsewhere about his expecting to return to the campaign trail next week. I would have expected the Gray Lady to have some mention of this.
 
arthwollipot said:
Except that, like it or not, what happens in America affects the entire world, so maybe it's not all that funny.
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What negative effects did you see in Australia from Trump 1.0?

Stacyhs said:
Wow. Grade for writing an example of an offensive, ugly, insult laden rant: A+
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Thanks!

Maybe you should get your fellow Democrats to stop faffing around and sort themselves out. I keep pointing out that in the entire 8 years of Obama's presidency, you managed to select the only person on the planet capable of losing to a vile scumbag, and now you're relying on a decrepit and senile old man to head off his second presidency.

How many congress members or senators have you personally called and emailed demanding Biden's removal? You've got 48 million members, and I estimate 47,999,990 are apathetic clowns who aren't actively demanding change.

You will deserve everything that happens in a Trump presidency.

Solitaire said:
I regret to inform you that the web site has two selectable data sets in the graph.
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From a small sample of countries.

USA's deaths per million is almost identical to UK, less than Greece and marginally worse than Belgium. Blaming Trump is idiotic, but that's typical of the attitude I'm talking about - whine about Trump and let him sleepwalk to victory.

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The UK's response to COVID was dreadful and led to hundreds of thousands of unnecessary deaths. Like the US, our leader was a COVID seriousness denier and a populist who lacked the attentiveness and gravitas to tackle a pandemic.

Comparing the US to the UK (or for example Brazil) isn't a flex. Better to compare it to the developed countries whose governments took COVID seriously from the start and acted accordingly.

Canada is among their number and had a much lower death rate per 100,000 of population.
 
The Atheist said:
America's death rate was no worse than many other, similar countries. Blaming Trump for the number of dead is idiotic and speculative, but it doesn't stop idiots speculating.
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Which other countries that you consider "similar" had death rates similar to the USA's?
 
a_unique_person said:
We already have the rise of QANON, Sovcits and election fraud insanity. It's only going to get worse.
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That's it?

Truly catastrophic.

lionking said:
The Trump world wide recesssion created by his idiotic tariff plans will be disastrous
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Is this a fact I'm unaware of? That Trump is causing a world-wide recession?

Let's wait and see before we wet our panties about it - like 2016, Trump is a blowhard that actually does very little. He'll stack judge's benches with right-wing judges as Biden has stacked them with lefties.

The Democrats and Republicans are flip sides of the same coin. I despise Trump, but he's not the antichrist.

Anyway, this is the election thread and there's another for predictions about what he's going to do. Right now, he is cruising to victory, and the Dumbocrats just better hope the tide doesn't take Congress and the Senate with him or they'll really have something to cry about.

If we want to cry about the rise of the right, we should be fixing the failure of the left. If the left weren't so ******* useless the question of Trump wouldn't even exist. Look at Jacinda - hero of covid, saving thousands of lives...

But will ultimately cost a greater number of lives by screwing up the country in other ways.

Your boy's doing a pretty good job of handing power back to the crazies as well.
 
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