Merged 2024 Election Thread

[ahhell]

For whatever its worth....

If you compare Trump today to trump in 1990, he has clearly declined, but IMHO, its been slower than Biden. Biden compared to 2020 or 2016 Biden is a noticeable difference.

The other thing is, that Trump being old and senile is really low on the list of reasons why I won't vote for him where as, Biden being old and Senile is much higher on the list of reason I don't want to vote for him but will anyway. I don't care that Trump his too old to be the president because he's too much of everything else to be the president.

 

[johnny karate]

For whatever its worth....

If you compare Trump today to trump in 1990, he has clearly declined, but IMHO, its been slower than Biden. Biden compared to 2020 or 2016 Biden is a noticeable difference.

The other thing is, that Trump being old and senile is really low on the list of reasons why I won't vote for him where as, Biden being old and Senile is much higher on the list of reason I don't want to vote for him but will anyway. I don't care that Trump his too old to be the president becuase he's too much of everything else to be the president.

Your argument boils down to the age of either candidate not mattering in the final analysis. An assessment I agree with. Really makes me wonder why we talk about it so much, and why it's almost always centered around Biden's age while ignoring Trump's.

 

[ahhell]

Your argument boils down to the age of either candidate not mattering in the final analysis. An assessment I agree with. Really makes me wonder why we talk about it so much, and why it's almost always centered around Biden's age while ignoring Trump's.

It only matters in terms of this is what we've got? Seriously, 380+million americans and the best we can do is Biden?

That and I'm baffled when lefties seem to act like Biden's obvious senility isn't a problem or act like he isn't obviously a senile old man.

Partially I care more about that because I don't think there's any help for the GOP. I mean, they're all gonna vote for Trump and they've got the likes of MTG. They are beyond hope, I think the Dems have clearer path to redemption but not if they can't acknowledge obvious realities.

Might have been this thread or another but there was a poster hear claiming that Biden was well known for his honesty when he dropped out of his first presidential run for lying famously and obviously lying. He's a flawed candidate, all of them are. Pretty much the only thing he's got going for him is that he isn't Trump. I think he and the Dems are irresponsible for having him run again. Still better than the other options though.

ETA: I work with an Architect who's going to vote for Trump, I can't figure it out. He thinks the four legal cases against trump are all the same, some vast left wing conspiracy. On the other hand, my Dad was a republican until Jan 6, can't forgive Trump or the republicans for that. I was afraid to talk to him about politics for a solid 3 years because I wasn't sure if he voted Trump or not.

 

[Aridas]

Really makes me wonder why we talk about it so much, and why it's almost always centered around Biden's age while ignoring Trump's.

Media narratives. It's one of the few negative things that can be meaningfully said about Biden, so it's been played up a lot. Usually while downplaying or ignoring Trump's negatives. Poll says Biden's age is an issue and that Trump has a bunch of serious issues? Headlines and bodies of articles have played up how bad the poll numbers are for Biden while completely or almost completely ignoring the part where the poll was much worse for Trump overall and that Trump's age was a problem for Trump, too.

 

[Aridas]

I think he and the Dems are irresponsible for having him run again. Still better than the other options though.

Ehh. The incumbent factor matters, I think. Sure, there are fairly certainly better Democrats for the job, but none of them has anything close to the political support that Biden has.

 

[johnny karate]

It only matters in terms of this is what we've got? Seriously, 380+million americans and the best we can do is Biden?

That and I'm baffled when lefties seem to act like Biden's obvious senility isn't a problem or act like he isn't obviously a senile old man.

Partially I care more about that because I don't think there's any help for the GOP. I mean, they're all gonna vote for Trump and they've got the likes of MTG. They are beyond hope, I think the Dems have clearer path to redemption but not if they can't acknowledge obvious realities.

Might have been this thread or another but there was a poster hear claiming that Biden was well known for his honesty when he dropped out of his first presidential run for lying famously and obviously lying. He's a flawed candidate, all of them are. Pretty much the only thing he's got going for him is that he isn't Trump. I think he and the Dems are irresponsible for having him run again. Still better than the other options though.

I've got a news flash for you: There exists no candidate that wouldn't be a flawed candidate. The perfect candidate doesn't exist.

As far as your opinion that Biden has "obvious senility" you're obviously entitled to it, but I'll take it with a dump truck full of salt. Randos on the internet offering medical diagnoses is not something to be taken seriously.

As far as what Biden has going for him, you forgot to mention a historically successful presidency. We are leaps and bounds better off now than we were when Trump left office. Does that mean everything's perfect and that we still don't have problems? Of course not. But Biden has demonstrated a willingness to address our problems and has been remarkably successful in doing so. When he took office, this country was an active dumpster fire. It's sort of miraculous that we've rebounded as much as we have.

Clearly, this isn't good enough for you, and that's fine. But when you act like Biden has nothing going for him other than not being Trump and ignore everything he's achieved during his presidency, it just comes across as partisan contrarianism unrooted in reality or rational thought.

 

[ahhell]

Media narratives. It's one of the few negative things that can be meaningfully said about Biden, so it's been played up a lot. Usually while downplaying or ignoring Trump's negatives. Poll says Biden's age is an issue and that Trump has a bunch of serious issues? Headlines and bodies of articles have played up how bad the poll numbers are for Biden while completely or almost completely ignoring the part where the poll was much worse for Trump overall and that Trump's age was a problem for Trump, too.

See, that's what I mean. That's just group think crazy talk. Bidens a race baiting old liar. His trade policy is ****, his give away of money to the children of elites is ****, his economic policy is ****.

All of that is true of Trump. Honestly, on policy they are mostly the same and they suck.

And polling is worse for Biden. Where do you get your news?

 

[ahhell]

I've got a news flash for you: There exists no candidate that wouldn't be a flawed candidate. The perfect candidate doesn't exist.

As far as your opinion that Biden has "obvious senility" you're obviously entitled to it, but I'll take it with a dump truck full of salt. Randos on the internet offering medical diagnoses is not something to be taken seriously.

As far as what Biden has going for him, you forgot to mention a historically successful presidency. We are leaps and bounds better off now than we were when Trump left office. Does that mean everything's perfect and that we still don't have problems? Of course not. But Biden has demonstrated a willingness to address our problems and has been remarkably successful in doing so. When he took office, this country was an active dumpster fire. It's sort of miraculous that we've rebounded as much as we have.

Clearly, this isn't good enough for you, and that's fine. But when you act like Biden has nothing going for him other than not being Trump and ignore everything he's achieved during his presidency, it just comes across as partisan contrarianism unrooted in reality or rational thought.

Literally said that in the post you quoted but all you can see is that I've criticized your guy.

Biden has achieved some stuff but I don't like most of it. So, yes, I'm partisan. You lefties ignore his weakness at your own expense, and my expense too, because that's what's gonna get Trump re-elected.

 

[johnny karate]

Media narratives. It's one of the few negative things that can be meaningfully said about Biden, so it's been played up a lot. Usually while downplaying or ignoring Trump's negatives. Poll says Biden's age is an issue and that Trump has a bunch of serious issues? Headlines and bodies of articles have played up how bad the poll numbers are for Biden while completely or almost completely ignoring the part where the poll was much worse for Trump overall and that Trump's age was a problem for Trump, too.

Yeah, I was being somewhat sarcastic. I do know why it gets talked about so much: Because the right wing media ecosystem created the narrative and then laundered it through a credulous mainstream media and now "critical thinkers" repeat it as if it's an original thought.

 

[johnny karate]

Biden has achieved some stuff but I don't like most of it. So, yes, I'm partisan.

Thank you for confirming we can all safely ignore your opinions on this issue.

You lefties ignore his weakness at your own expense, and my expense too, because that's what's gonna get Trump re-elected.

No, what's going to get Trump re-elected (if that happens) is a non-stop right wing propaganda machine that brazenly lies to a significant portion of the American electorate primed to believe anything they're told.

It's not now, nor will it ever be, the fault of the Democrats for the evil **** that Republicans do.

 

[dirtywick]

at least he’s honest. only a real partisan could jump through the hoops they need to go blame the left for trump winning the election. worst biden has done is be old. these guys are pulling out all the stops up to and including breaking the law to get him in office. they are the problem.

 

[ahhell]

Thank you for confirming we can all safely ignore your opinions on this issue.



No, what's going to get Trump re-elected (if that happens) is a non-stop right wing propaganda machine that brazenly lies to a significant portion of the American electorate primed to believe anything they're told.

It's not now, nor will it ever be, the fault of the Democrats for the evil **** that Republicans do.

Ignore me if you wish, I really want the dems to appeal to conservatives though.

A machine that lies almost as fast as Biden, seriously, Trump is the only guy that lies more and faster than biden.

 

[johnny karate]

Ignore me if you wish, I really want the dems to appeal to conservatives though.

A machine that lies almost as fast as Biden, seriously, Trump is the only guy that lies more and faster than biden.

Yeah, sounds like you're really open to being swayed by what Democrats would offer. I guess they just aren't trying hard enough to win over people like yourself with such astute minds for politics, and therefore everything bad Republican do is their fault.

 

[Aridas]

See, that's what I mean. That's just group think crazy talk.

*shrug* It's the main thing that they can get to stick to him, hence "meaningful" in this case. Republicans have been trying to throw lots and lots of mud at him, after all, and not much sticks, though the effects do accumulate. Hardly a big surprise when there is nothing even remotely close to the Republican propaganda machine that's on the Democrats' side.

Bidens a race baiting old liar.

For the fun of it, I did a quick Google search of "biden race baiting." To my distinct lack of surprise, a bunch of very pro-Republican propaganda outlets dominate with a recent round of attempted Biden bashing.

As for liar? Sure, he's definitely flawed there. He's in relatively normal politician territory, though, on examination, and likely on the notably low end of that. Trump is, to borrow a description, the undisputed heavyweight when it comes to lying, though, both in number and impact.

His trade policy is ****, his give away of money to the children of elites is ****, his economic policy is ****.

Okay. I accept that those are your opinions. The middle one is rather specific, though, and I'm not entirely sure what you're referring to. Pushing a policy of free public school lunches regardless of parent's income, perhaps?

And polling is worse for Biden. Where do you get your news?

The main thing isn't the only thing, of course. It is, by far, the least situational, though, and most persistent.

 

[ahhell]

Yeah, sounds like you're really open to being swayed by what Democrats would offer. I guess they just aren't trying hard enough to win over people like yourself with such astute minds for politics, and therefore everything bad Republican do is their fault.

Totally voting for Biden, so I think I am persuadable. To be fair, I'd vote for a wet paper bag if it were running against Trump. I could imagine voting for Trump....if he were running against; Pol Pot, Stalin, Marx, Hitler? If it were Mussolini or Pinochet, I'd have to think about it.

This is the thing, the Dems have given up on persuading.

 

[Norman Alexander]

Totally voting for Biden, so I think I am persuadable. To be fair, I'd vote for a wet paper bag if it were running against Trump. I could imagine voting for Trump....if he were running against; Pol Pot, Stalin, Marx, Hitler? If it were Mussolini or Pinochet, I'd have to think about it.

This is the thing, the Dems have given up on persuading.

With enemies like MTG, Gaetz and Trump, who needs friends!

 

[kookbreaker]

Democrats spent the years since Reagan pandering to conservatives. Its why Clinton & Obama's fiscal policies were pretty much just more Reaganomics. They appeal so much the conservatives just shoved the overton window down the lane and demand to be pandered to even more.

Meanwhile, a younger generation is starting to see that Reaganomics has been a disaster for the long-run.

 

[Brainster]

Out driving today, I noticed a slew of vehicles parked along the roadside. As I came up to a light, I saw it was changing to red, so I turned down a side-street. And the same thing applied on the side-street--cars parked nearly everywhere. Then I started noticing the Trump 2024 and Let's Go Brandon stickers and realized it was Trump's rally. Not sure if it means a lot but these cars were parked over a half-mile away from the megachurch where he was speaking. On a day where the temperatures soared over 110 F. Impressive devotion, not so much impressive common sense; the local news is reporting that 11 or more attendees needed to be taken to the hospital with heat-related problems.

 

[johnny karate]

Totally voting for Biden, so I think I am persuadable. To be fair, I'd vote for a wet paper bag if it were running against Trump. I could imagine voting for Trump....if he were running against; Pol Pot, Stalin, Marx, Hitler? If it were Mussolini or Pinochet, I'd have to think about it.

This is the thing, the Dems have given up on persuading.

Personally, if I were a conservative or right-leaning, I’d be more upset with what Republicans are offering me than with a party that I’m definitionally not aligned with for not catering to me. But then I wouldn’t get to blame Democrats for everything, so I see your point.

 

[johnny karate]

Democrats spent the years since Reagan pandering to conservatives. Its why Clinton & Obama's fiscal policies were pretty much just more Reaganomics. They appeal so much the conservatives just shoved the overton window down the lane and demand to be pandered to even more.

Meanwhile, a younger generation is starting to see that Reaganomics has been a disaster for the long-run.

Quoted for truth.