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The Great Zaganza said:
as always, Republicans love topics they can be upset about (and thus campaign and fundraise on), with no intention to actually do anything about it.
and then some radicals didn't get the memo and actually did something, screwing up the entire game.
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Mostly correct IHMO, but I do believe that the AZ SC got unfairly characterized as a bunch of insane radicals. Their interpretation of the law(s) seems 100% correct and as it happens works to the benefit of the liberal side on this issue (because it will be on the ballot and the 24-week exception will become law).
 
ChrisBFRPKY said:
Yes, they are.

H.R.26 - Born-Alive Abortion Survivors Protection Act

https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th...ns?overview=closed&q={"roll-call-vote":"all"}

The bill protects surviving infants from failed abortion attempts. Democrats voted against it. You can view the voting roll at the same link provided above if you'd like to know who is against protecting an infant that survives an abortion attempt from being murdered.

It is shocking to think Democrats would consider executing an infant after birth, but that's exactly how they voted. Perhaps you don't know as much as you think you do about the Democrat party.
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It'd be shocking if you thought this bovine excrement you posted was genuine, but that would need some evidence that you think.
 
Norman Alexander said:
Are you OK? I mean, seriously, ARE you?? If you think this is a well-thought-out cogent argument based on facts and real science, let alone what was actually said by the parties involved, then I would worry that you could seriously hurt yourself with a dessert spoon if you weren't careful.

How about you go back and read what was actually written, then have a long, hard look at yourself.
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And to all other wannabe political spinners:

H.R.26 - Born-Alive Abortion Survivors Protection Act

The problem is either you haven't read the bill or you're taken back by the fact that Democrats voted overwhelmingly to squash it from existence. Meanwhile, the link I provided is not from some opinionated political site, it's the direct link from Congress.gov and it enables you to not only read the bill, but also view the voting results of those that voted against it and those that voted for it.

When Democrats vote against protecting a child's life AFTER a failed abortion attempt, that speaks volumes. Not only politically but also morally. Yet they did it, it's a fact, it's undeniable, I've proven it for all to see with a direct link to the bill and voting record, so you may as well "own it".

Trump was and is 100% correct on this issue and I have proven as much with factual evidence.
 
Doubling down on stupid is fun when you don’t actually read the replies that tore you to shreds.
 
ChrisBFRPKY said:
And to all other wannabe political spinners:

H.R.26 - Born-Alive Abortion Survivors Protection Act

The problem is either you haven't read the bill or you're taken back by the fact that Democrats voted overwhelmingly to squash it from existence. Meanwhile, the link I provided is not from some opinionated political site, it's the direct link from Congress.gov and it enables you to not only read the bill, but also view the voting results of those that voted against it and those that voted for it.

When Democrats vote against protecting a child's life AFTER a failed abortion attempt, that speaks volumes. Not only politically but also morally. Yet they did it, it's a fact, it's undeniable, I've proven it for all to see with a direct link to the bill and voting record, so you may as well "own it".

Trump was and is 100% correct on this issue and I have proven as much with factual evidence.
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Alright then. To cut through the inanity, there's one very simple question that should be addressed first. Are doctors are already required to provide said appropriate medical care by law?

Last I heard (and a number of times before then), the answer to that is quite firmly yes. Do you have any actually good reason to believe otherwise?
 
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kookbreaker said:
Doubling down on stupid is fun when you don’t actually read the replies that tore you to shreds.
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I realize this has left a bad taste in your mouth and it may be hard to swallow, but it's an undeniable fact. Double down on denial of you must, but the facts are clear and you will only make yourself look either dishonest or stupid by failing to acknowledge reality.
 
Aridas said:
Alright then. To cut through the inanity, there's one very simple question that should be addressed first. Are doctors are already required to provide said appropriate medical care by law?

Last I heard (and a number of times before then), the answer to that is quite firmly yes. Do you have any actually good reason to believe otherwise?
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If you wish to start a new thread to discuss the morality of Doctors and infants that survive attempted abortions, please feel free to do so. My intent was to clarify a comment made by President Trump during his 2024 election campaign and I have done so. Any more than that would be off topic.
 
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ChrisBFRPKY said:
If you wish to start a new thread to discuss the morality of Doctors and infants that survive attempted abortions, please feel free to do so. My intent was to clarify a comment made by President Trump during his 2024 election campaign and I have done so. Any more than that would be off topic.
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So no, you aren't going to back it up. Alright. So you've chosen the route of no more discussion of the specific merits.

With that said, then, this sure sounds reminiscent of similar BS "clarifications" that have been put forth in the past. Like when Trump proposed solving Covid with internally applied UV and a certain faction scrounged around to find something, then found it in an obscure and unworkable proposed thing and then tried to crow about how great Trump was and thus tried to gaslight us all so Trump wouldn't be treated as the fool that he showed himself as.

Your attempted "clarification" reeks of much the same desperation to find something, anything to grasp onto, no matter how unreasonable the multiple leaps in play are.

Democrats voting overwhelmingly against it is nothing to be taken aback by, under the actual circumstances in play. When it's driven by political fiction and would fairly certainly just end up making things worse all around without granting any real benefit to anyone at all, that's not something that is actually good to support morally, contrary to your assertion. Politically is more unclear. Republicans have been thoroughly trashing any brand image they might have on the subject with their extreme overreach and the serious harm that it is causing to the citizens of the US. Those who are willfully blind and already motivated may be inclined to seize upon it, but those not are much more likely to be leery of what the Republicans were trying to pull. These are largely the same Republicans as voted overwhelmingly against helping American citizens feed their babies, after all.

It's not like the Republican party has a good record when it comes to caring about people of any age at all. At last check, Republican policy is associated with greater death counts at every age, including for the unborn, and it's the Republican party that's worked to make kids hungrier and unhealthier. The whole "Please think of the babies" shtick is a bit sickening as the Republican Party just keeps acting to harm them.
 
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ChrisBFRPKY said:
I realize this has left a bad taste in your mouth and it may be hard to swallow, but it's an undeniable fact. Double down on denial of you must, but the facts are clear and you will only make yourself look either dishonest or stupid by failing to acknowledge reality.
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good thing we got hard swallowers like yourself to keep us in line
 
ChrisBFRPKY said:
I realize this has left a bad taste in your mouth and it may be hard to swallow, but it's an undeniable fact.
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There's no bad taste in my mouth. Any can see this was a useless bill designed to give psychopartisans like you an endorphin rush. It solves nothing, creates additional problems, and is overall useless. You'd know that if you even glanced and the medical community's reaction as well as the reasons for it being voted down. Its like making a new law outlawing murder - murder is already illegal but threw in a bunch of conditions that made it hard for police to convict but get all huffy when anyone who isn't a fellow psychopartisan votes against it.

Double down on denial of you must, but the facts are clear and you will only make yourself look either dishonest or stupid by failing to acknowledge reality.
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The dishonesty is purely on your side. If someone on the side of the non-psychopartisans made a law this clumsy and inept you'd be screaming about how it was "virtue-signaling" and the like.

So beat your little chest even harder in triumph, maybe some caved ribs will give you a change to talk to actual doctors for once.
 
The ability for Trump cultists to convince themselves that whatever Trump says is rational and sane never ceases to amaze me. It explains the delusional mindset of people willing to commit suicide and kill their own children as demonstrated by Magda and Joseph Goebbels, the Jonestown massacre, Heaven's Gate, etc.
 
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ChrisBFRPKY said:
If you wish to start a new thread to discuss the morality of Doctors and infants that survive attempted abortions, please feel free to do so. My intent was to clarify a comment made by President Trump during his 2024 election campaign and I have done so. Any more than that would be off topic.
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Did your own homework for you. The incidents you refer to are exceptionally rare, and are all the result of fetal abnormalities or premature labour for various natural reasons. NOT abortions. Unless, of course, you are dumb enough to call stillbirths and other natural phenomena "abortions". If so, you need to go back to school and learn a LOT more about human reproduction.

Google...0.09 seconds later...

https://www.factcheck.org/2019/03/the-facts-on-the-born-alive-debate/
 
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Norman Alexander said:
Did your own homework for you. The incidents you refer to are exceptionally rare, and are all the result of fetal abnormalities or premature labour for various natural reasons. NOT abortions. Unless, of course, you are dumb enough to call stillbirths and other natural phenomena "abortions". If so, you need to go back to school and learn a LOT more about human reproduction.

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https://www.factcheck.org/2019/03/the-facts-on-the-born-alive-debate/
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Be careful. Confusing the issue with facts can cause MAGA brains to explode.
 
ChrisBFRPKY said:
... It is shocking to think Democrats would consider executing an infant after birth, but that's exactly how they voted. Perhaps you don't know as much as you think you do about the Democrat party.
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And perhaps you don't know **** about third trimester abortions. Not that the news media is very informative about it.

If a pregnancy is ended after the fetus is viable, the babies are treated like any premature infants, you work hard and sometimes the care runs in the millions to keep the baby alive.

If the pregnancy is ended because the infant isn't viable then generally that baby might be given minimal care but it certainly would not be killed.

Usually one is talking about a mother or and infant that is in trouble late in the pregnancy. The baby is delivered to save it or to save the mother. Those kids do fine, no one kills them.
 
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