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Tero said:
Not the 30%. Trump is hated by a good half of the 70%.
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So, according to your reckoning, Trump is hated by 35% of voters. Doesn't sound like that exactly puts him out of the running.
 
No but every Democrat will pretty much vote and a good number of independents. So hatred of Trump gusrantees turnout. Trump base and insependents have to care somewhat for Trump. Trump has made it an existential question. The group has to somehow fear Biden to show up. It has not worked as well as with Hillary in 2016.

Hatred of Trump is bigger than 2016 and 2020.
 
Tero said:
No but every Democrat will pretty much vote and a good number of independents. So hatred of Trump gusrantees turnout. Trump base and insependents have to care somewhat for Trump. Trump has made it an existential question. The group has to somehow fear Biden to show up. It has not worked as well as with Hillary in 2016.

Hatred of Trump is bigger than 2016 and 2020.
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I won't comment on your overall logic because I don't understand it. I will say only that the assertion I highlighted above is dead wrong. Assuming Biden runs, I think that turnout among young, so-called progressive voters will be low. Or, equivalently, they'll vote for Jill Stein or someone of her ilk.
 
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jt512 said:
I won't comment on your overall logic because I don't understand it. I will say only that the assertion I highlighted above is dead wrong. Assuming Biden runs, I think that turnout among young, so-called progressive voters will be low. Or, equivalently, they'll vote for Jill Stein or someone of her ilk.
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So you think young people are too stupid to understand the risk Trump poses? :rolleyes:
 
Tero said:
No but every Democrat will pretty much vote and a good number of independents. So hatred of Trump gusrantees turnout. Trump base and insependents have to care somewhat for Trump. Trump has made it an existential question. The group has to somehow fear Biden to show up. It has not worked as well as with Hillary in 2016.

Hatred of Trump is bigger than 2016 and 2020.
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The polls say otherwise. He gained 2%. It's Biden who lost 15%.
 
Dr.Sid said:
The polls say otherwise. He gained 2%. It's Biden who lost 15%.
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Those polls mean nothing. Obama lost to Romney according to polls. News outfits promote pollsters so they can create scary news.

I predict record turnout by 2024 Nov. No polls show that. I know polls don't reach a good sample anymore.
 
Tero said:
Those polls mean nothing. Obama lost to Romney according to polls. News outfits promote pollsters so they can create scary news.

I predict record turnout by 2024 Nov. No polls show that. I know polls don't reach a good sample anymore.
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I'm not sure if polls reach a good sample. What would be useful is to know how many declines to answer they go through to get enough answers. It makes sense to me that only committed Trumptrash say they would vote for Trump at this phase. Without that key piece of "not answering" and who is not answering, you can't draw any inferences.
 
Tero said:
Those polls mean nothing. Obama lost to Romney according to polls. News outfits promote pollsters so they can create scary news.

I predict record turnout by 2024 Nov. No polls show that. I know polls don't reach a good sample anymore.
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Your claims then mean even less ..
 
I don't see anything to be gained by going around and around until the elections come next year. Trump is a mile ahead of anyone else in the GOP clown car and Biden is an adequately successful incumbent. It's going to be those two.

So until it picks up again, here's a game instead. If you could pick anyone and make them run for President in 2024, who would be a better option?

I'll nominate
Tom Hanks. He's already politically involved: he buys the coffee machines for the White House press corps. If he runs, forget the polls, the election's in the bag and America is the world's darling again, guaranteed.
 
That's actually a pretty good idea, although he's still near 70.

I had hope for America when Obama became president, but you've only gone downhill since those heady days of "Yes, we can".

Until it became "No, we didn't".
 
Beelzebuddy said:
I don't see anything to be gained by going around and around until the elections come next year. Trump is a mile ahead of anyone else in the GOP clown car and Biden is an adequately successful incumbent. It's going to be those two.

So until it picks up again, here's a game instead. If you could pick anyone and make them run for President in 2024, who would be a better option?

I'll nominate
Tom Hanks. He's already politically involved: he buys the coffee machines for the White House press corps. If he runs, forget the polls, the election's in the bag and America is the world's darling again, guaranteed.
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Hmm .. that would be nice plan B. And one which could be activated even near the election.
 
jt512 said:
I won't comment on your overall logic because I don't understand it. I will say only that the assertion I highlighted above is dead wrong. Assuming Biden runs, I think that turnout among young, so-called progressive voters will be low. Or, equivalently, they'll vote for Jill Stein or someone of her ilk.
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Maybe I used too many words. Trump in politics will be a "thing" for his base thru 2024. But it is just the same old thing. The fear and hatred for Trump, plus issues like abortion, is a much bigger factor than those people's love for Trump. A good 50% of the voters are still subject to all the influence of ads, leaders, people they know, events with Trump world.
 
jt512 said:
No. I don't think it is a question of intelligence, but of ideology (with which intelligence can't compete).
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So young people are too stupid to see their ideology is close enough to Biden's they'll vote for him. Are they too stupid to recognize Stein is a joke?

Since when is age against a person's ideology?


One way or the other you are claiming young people (as a voting block) are stupid. Anything to make the world as you want it: You want the outcome of the election to prove you right about Biden.
 
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Beelzebuddy said:
I don't see anything to be gained by going around and around until the elections come next year. Trump is a mile ahead of anyone else in the GOP clown car and Biden is an adequately successful incumbent. It's going to be those two.

So until it picks up again, here's a game instead. If you could pick anyone and make them run for President in 2024, who would be a better option?

I'll nominate
Tom Hanks. He's already politically involved: he buys the coffee machines for the White House press corps. If he runs, forget the polls, the election's in the bag and America is the world's darling again, guaranteed.
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Been some serious talk of Dwayne Johnson aka The Rock running.

https://www.theguardian.com/film/2023/nov/10/dwayne-the-rock-johnsonus-president-run-party

Imo... no more ******* celeb presidents please.
 
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