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The Atheist said:
Anyway, she's definitely not standing this time and won't taint Kamala's campaign, unless she's dumb enough to invite Hillary onstage with her. Rightly or wrongly, she's toxic.
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I think you're wrong here. While I did not care for her when she was running, I think she has become way more likeable since she lost. Many of her comments are sharp and funny, which we did not see when she was campaigning.
 
The Atheist said:
You nicely snipped an important part of the evidence:


Anyway, she's definitely not standing this time and won't taint Kamala's campaign, unless she's dumb enough to invite Hillary onstage with her. Rightly or wrongly, she's toxic.
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I didn't include it because it had nothing to do with my point:

Has it occurred to you that it wasn't a lie at all, but that HRC believed it to be true? That her mother told her that story as Sir Edmund became famous when HRC was 6 years old, and she thought Hillary would take pride in her name?
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Note that I didn't say she was named for Sir Edmund, but that her mother may have told her that as a child AFTER he became famous.
 
Uncomfortable Elephant in the Room.

We're really counting on the black woman being more" likeable" (for lack of a better term to describe the broad concept of electability and connection with voters outside of issues and politics) than the white woman in America?

Like Hillary didn't have the problem that she wouldn't have been allowed to go to the same school as Trump as recently as "within some of our lifetimes."

Like it's exactly zero hard for all the Conservatives to look at Harris and go "She's literally everything we didn't like about Hillary AND she's black."

It's 2024. Things have gotten better but you can't sit there and tell me it still ain't a factor.

In a very real sense Conservatives still haven't gotten over Obama. A black guy being President and not screwing it up was obviously too much for them to handle.
 
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Uncomfortable Elephant in the Room.

We're really counting on the black woman being more" likeable" (for lack of a better term to describe the broad concept of electability and connection with voters outside of issues and politics) than the white woman in America?

Like Hillary didn't have the problem that she wouldn't have been allowed to go to the same school as Trump as recently as "within some of our lifetimes."

Like it's exactly zero hard for all the Conservatives to look at Harris and go "She's literally everything we didn't like about Hillary AND she's black."

It's 2024. Things have gotten better but you can't sit there and tell me it still ain't a factor.

In a very real sense Conservatives still haven't gotten over Obama. A black guy being President and not screwing it up was obviously too much for them to handle.
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You might have a point, *but*.

1) This is the first time I've seen Democrats wanting to vote *for* someone rather than against the other person since Obama.

2) The nihlism we saw in 2016 isn't there or isn't getting traction. Remember the plethora of "Giant Meteor 2016" memes that were all over social media and reflecting the exhausted electorate that didn't want the choices? I'm not seeing it this time.

3) It took the above factors as well as a poor campaign by Clinton, an October Surprise by the head of the FBI, and the Trump campaign actually getting its feet on the ground running with the "Drain the Swamp" slogan. Trump won't have these this time.

That said, I'm not supremely confident. I am hoping the threat of Project 2025 and the erosion of abortion rights will get Democrats to the Polls in record numbers, but I don't want to bet money on that. I have zero doubt that Kamala will win the popular vote, but that's not what wins the election. If she slaughters in California but does weak in PA it will be a hard path to winning.
 
kookbreaker said:
You might have a point, *but*.

1) This is the first time I've seen Democrats wanting to vote *for* someone rather than against the other person since Obama.

2) The nihlism we saw in 2016 isn't there or isn't getting traction. Remember the plethora of "Giant Meteor 2016" memes that were all over social media and reflecting the exhausted electorate that didn't want the choices? I'm not seeing it this time.

3) It took the above factors as well as a poor campaign by Clinton, an October Surprise by the head of the FBI, and the Trump campaign actually getting its feet on the ground running with the "Drain the Swamp" slogan. Trump won't have these this time.
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What he said!

kookbreaker said:
That said, I'm not supremely confident. I am hoping the threat of Project 2025 and the erosion of abortion rights will get Democrats to the Polls in record numbers, but I don't want to bet money on that. I have zero doubt that Kamala will win the popular vote, but that's not what wins the election. If she slaughters in California but does weak in PA it will be a hard path to winning.
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The big thing in Harris' favour across the board is that she's attracted the youth vote and as you say, they want to vote for her, so I don't think the nightmare scenario is possible.
 
kookbreaker said:
You might have a point, *but*.

1) This is the first time I've seen Democrats wanting to vote *for* someone rather than against the other person since Obama.

2) The nihlism we saw in 2016 isn't there or isn't getting traction. Remember the plethora of "Giant Meteor 2016" memes that were all over social media and reflecting the exhausted electorate that didn't want the choices? I'm not seeing it this time.

3) It took the above factors as well as a poor campaign by Clinton, an October Surprise by the head of the FBI, and the Trump campaign actually getting its feet on the ground running with the "Drain the Swamp" slogan. Trump won't have these this time.

That said, I'm not supremely confident. I am hoping the threat of Project 2025 and the erosion of abortion rights will get Democrats to the Polls in record numbers, but I don't want to bet money on that. I have zero doubt that Kamala will win the popular vote, but that's not what wins the election. If she slaughters in California but does weak in PA it will be a hard path to winning.
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Oh and to be sure I'm not saying it's a done deal. It's just, I think, a viable factor that we sorta haven't wanted to discuss.

The reason it puts a little bit of fear into me is how open and blatant the Right is right now about saying the quiet part out loud when it comes to racism. And sure a lot of that is the simple fact that every single person on the Right up and decided to turn into a troll with a "I'm being horrible, dare you to mention it" chip on their shoulder. But still this isn't a political movement that's scared of being seen as racist, they are wallowing in it.

Right now Trump is acting like "racists" are a demographic he has to court. That... unsettles me. They are acting not only like racism is a tactic that might work but that they actually need to use to win.

Again certain? Absolutely not. We're gonna be doing an autopsy on 2016, 2020, and (however it turns out) 2024 for a long time.

And nominating the black woman SPECIFICALLY because you think a black woman beating Trump makes for a better narrative then another old white man doing it sounds like exactly the kind of mistake Democrats would trip over themselves to make and then pat themselves on the back for "choosing the moral victory over the actual meaningful win" yet again.

And as I said we're trying to stop Trump from destroying the country, not writing the final scene in the movie that wins Maya Rudolph her first Oscar in a few years. This isn't a time for "Step aside, only I'm allowed to beat him because I make for a more narrative pleasing dichotomy."
 
The Atheist said:
What he said!



The big thing in Harris' favour across the board is that she's attracted the youth vote and as you say, they want to vote for her, so I don't think the nightmare scenario is possible.
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Then you're not living in reality. There is a very real possibility that the EC will, once again, give the presidency to the loser of the popular vote.
 
well i was more interested in the part where they are paying american influencers on youtube through shell companies
 
dirtywick said:
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/russia-tenet-media-right-wing-influencers-justice-department/

russia secretly funded a network of right wing youtube influencers, tim pool and dave rubin, paying them millions to produce content they asked for. also seems there's private communications between them acknowledging this
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Russia has always tried to sow division in the US. Undermining us from within has been their game for a long time. Trump and the MAGAs are just useful idiots for them.
 
Stacyhs said:
Russia has always tried to sow division in the US. Undermining us from within has been their game for a long time. Trump and the MAGAs are just useful idiots for them.
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Well....don't blame them for everything...some of your fellow American "patriots" had a hand in it too...lots of hands.
 
Not only is Jimmy McCain now a democrat and voting for Harris, so is Liz Cheney. Whoever thought we'd see the day a McCain and a Cheney were voting for Democrat over a Republican for POTUS?
 
dirtywick said:
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/russia-tenet-media-right-wing-influencers-justice-department/

russia secretly funded a network of right wing youtube influencers, tim pool and dave rubin, paying them millions to produce content they asked for. also seems there's private communications between them acknowledging this
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Related but different.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c72ver6172do

A network of Russia-based websites masquerading as local American newspapers is pumping out fake stories as part of an AI-powered operation that is increasingly targeting the US election, a BBC investigation can reveal.

A former Florida police officer who relocated to Moscow is one of the key figures behind it.
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And the latest viral story from him

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1831116960341348589.html

Shayan Sardarizadeh
@Shayan86
Sep 3 • 7 tweets • 5 min read • Read on X
Thread: A viral story claims Kamala Harris was involved in a 2011 hit-and-run that left a 13-year-old named Alicia Brown paralyzed.

But the story is fake, and is most likely part of a pro-Kremlin disinformation operation run by an ex-Florida cop we've previously reported on.
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