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Cont: 2024 Election Thread part 2

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jimbob said:
Re: Account linked to Trump posting racist images...
I assumed it was just a fan account using the Trump name (since anyone can just pay for that). This is so much worse.
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The gold tick or the grey tick means it's supposed to be authentic
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Does it work that way now?

I remember when Musk first took over Twitter they were charging people for a "check mark", but there was some sort of controversy because all they were really doing was giving the check mark in exchange for $8.

Have they fixed that little issue?
 
Another sign of polling trouble for Trump....

From: News Observer
A new poll of swing states released by the Cook Political Report on Wednesday shows Vice President Kamala Harris registering a slight lead, well within the margin of error, over former President Donald Trump in North Carolina.... Harris leads Trump 46% to 44%....The latest figures show Trump losing ground since the Cook Political Report’s last Swing State Project poll in May, which found the Republican former president leading Democratic President Joe Biden by eight percentage points...

(Of course, all the usual caveats apply... early poll, small sample size, could be an outlier.)

The best thing about this is that it hopefully has the republicans in a panic, seeing such a large shift towards Harris in what had been a state Trump was previously leading in.
 
acbytesla said:
Third party candidates have a long history of polling well early in the election cycle and seeing that support diminish substantially by the election. And that has happened to RFK Jr. Two months ago, polls had him as high as 12 percent. Now he's registering under 3 percent. Rumor has it that he offered his support to Harris in exchange for his endorsement.

My bet is that as the election draws closer he will be further marginalized.
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In the case of RFK jr., I suspect a lot of that early support was from name recognition from people who really didn't know much about him other than his name and parentage.
 
acbytesla said:
That's only half true. If you're on probation, you are kind of considered a prisoner who has been granted privileges. You may be searched, even without cause. You must respond to any demand from the state just as anyone still in prison. But you do have rights. As do people still in prison. You have the right to due process. You can own property and you can not be deprived of it. BTW, anti felon voting laws owe their existence to post Civil War and Jim Crow laws.

I'm not only in favor of allowing felons, but allowing prisoners to vote.
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Yes, I assumed people knew that you wouldn't be completely stripped of all humanity. You can't vote, can't own a firearm, have no rights to search and seizure, and the normal things that most people enjoy.

If I remember right I couldn't vote for 10 years after I was off of probation, but that could be the state law for guns too. I don't remember offhand and that was 25 years ago.

We'll have to disagree on the prisoners being allowed to vote. I'm not in agreement there.
 
Trump Bizarrely Holds Up Mini-Sized TicTac Container As Evidence of Inflation: ‘This is What’s Happened!’

Former President Donald Trump held up a mini-sized TicTacs container on stage during his rally in North Carolina in a stunt aimed at mocking President Joe Biden’s record on inflation.

Three weeks after Biden announced he was withdrawing from the 2024 presidential race, Trump continued his barrage of attacks using the TicTac box visual to suggest that everyday products are shrinking under the president’s economic policies.

“But the groceries, just to put it in simple terms, people go to the grocery store, and they have less than half a deal,” Trump began.

Reaching into his suit pocket, he said: “In fact, I had something here. I did have something. I would show you. Wait a minute. I don’t know if you’ve seen this. I used it once. I have it. I do have it. Look at this. Look at this. So this is Tic Tacs, right? I don’t know if I like the company. I’ve never met. I have no idea. They’re so lucky. This is the greatest commercial they ever had.”

Trump continued, holding up a regular-sized TicTac box and the smaller one side-by-side: “But that’s what happened. This is inflation. This is TicTac. This is inflation. This is what’s happened. I just happened to have somebody give me this one today. I said, I think we’ll put it up as an example of inflation.”

Despite Trump’s point, the miniature TicTac box he exhibited is not a reduced size due to inflation but a widely available mini TicTac Travel box size that usually comes in a larger pack of 60 units. While the standard box weighs about 0.63 oz and contains about 38 Tic Tacs, the smaller boxes in the travel multipack are typically 0.13 oz.
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He would have used one of those small bars of hotel soap as an example, but he probably hasn't bathed or showered in years.
 
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TofuFighter said:
This was posted on Xitter this week. I hadn't paid any attention to this account but apparently this kind of post is s.o.p.

[qimg]https://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=1275&pictureid=14100[/qimg]
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MAGA isn't racist at all....
 
plague311 said:
Yes, I assumed people knew that you wouldn't be completely stripped of all humanity. You can't vote, can't own a firearm, have no rights to search and seizure, and the normal things that most people enjoy.

If I remember right I couldn't vote for 10 years after I was off of probation, but that could be the state law for guns too. I don't remember offhand and that was 25 years ago.

We'll have to disagree on the prisoners being allowed to vote. I'm not in agreement there.
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My question is why do you oppose individuals in prison being able to vote?

They are all state laws, Here is a breakdown of how each state addresses the issue of felons voting. As you can tell. Southern States in particular have the most restrictive laws against felons voting. Maine and Vermont allow prisoners to vote.

https://images.procon.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/48/felon-voting-map-may-1-2023.png

https://felonvoting.procon.org/state-felon-voting-laws/
 
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The Great Zaganza said:
It's the West Wing Brain at work, the idea that Trump will somehow be grateful if you cave in to him.

We know that the opposite is true, that the more the NYT and others **** on him, the more desperate he became for positive coverage.

Idiots who think they are smart, the lot of 'em
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Plus the more they do T****y dirty the more eyeballs will read their stuff, increasing their revenue.
 
acbytesla said:
My question is why do you oppose individuals in prison being able to vote?
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This probably needs to be spun off into its own thread because, yet again, disenfrahcisement of minorities is the reason as to the topic of this thread.

And if you think trying to get abortion as illegal as possible isn't a factor in keeping women out of the voting booth...
 
Segnosaur said:
Does it work that way now?

I remember when Musk first took over Twitter they were charging people for a "check mark", but there was some sort of controversy because all they were really doing was giving the check mark in exchange for $8.

Have they fixed that little issue?
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Yes.

Musk broke the blue tick system and then realised Twitter needed some way to indicate verified notable people or accounts. So replaced it with two separate ones, so a worse system. And a really stupid impact on traffic and thus advertising revenue
 
JoeMorgue said:
This probably needs to be spun off into its own thread because, yet again, disenfrahcisement of minorities is the reason as to the topic of this thread.

And if you think trying to get abortion as illegal as possible isn't a factor in keeping women out of the voting booth...
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You're right. It does. But disenfranchising voters is a major key for Republicans.
 
acbytesla said:
My question is why do you oppose individuals in prison being able to vote?

They are all state laws, Here is a breakdown of how each state addresses the issue of felons voting. As you can tell. Southern States in particular have the most restrictive laws against felons voting. Maine and Vermont allow prisoners to vote.
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Yeah, so mine was after probation, that makes sense.

I feel they shouldn't be able to vote because they broke the laws of society, especially felons which are a higher degree of criminal activity. Before they get to participate fully in society again then they should have to serve out the duration of their punishment.

I'm not going to argue with you though, as Joe said this could be its own thread but I still wouldn't participate. I've thought about it a lot, I am a convicted felon, I've been through everything and my mind is made up.

We can disagree, it's fine.
 
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"It works fine in theory in a perfect world with no dishonest agents in politics, with perfect checks and balances that are never and can never be unbalanced, in a frictionless vacuum over an infinite plane of uniform gravity assuming perfectly spherical voters" is such a beyond the point argument.

I feel some "Well I had to go through it so I'm going to fight anyone NOT having to go through it" in your argument.

Because it happend to you and YOU managed to work through within the system doesn't make it right.
 
JoeMorgue said:
"It works fine in theory in a perfect world with no dishonest agents in politics, with perfect checks and balances that are never and can never be unbalanced, in a frictionless vacuum over an infinite plane of uniform gravity assuming perfectly spherical voters" is such a beyond the point argument.

I feel some "Well I had to go through it so I'm going to fight anyone NOT having to go through it" in your argument.

Because it happend to you and YOU managed to work through within the system doesn't make it right.
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You can feel whatever the **** you want, but that's not what I'm saying at all. I'm saying that my experiences informed my decision. I used it as a data point, and I was 18. I didn't even vote for the first time until I was in my last 20s, so it didn't affect me at all. In any way. I COULD have voted for years and didn't because I didn't care.

So get your feeling meter calibrated because you're way off the mark. I already ******* said I was an advocate for felons voting, I just feel they should have to completely pay off their debt to society, that's it. Don't strawman my statements by making up quotes, it's dumb as hell.
 
plague311 said:
You can feel whatever the **** you want, but that's not what I'm saying at all. I'm saying that my experiences informed my decision. I used it as a data point, and I was 18. I didn't even vote for the first time until I was in my last 20s, so it didn't affect me at all. In any way. I COULD have voted for years and didn't because I didn't care.

So get your feeling meter calibrated because you're way off the mark. I already ******* said I was an advocate for felons voting, I just feel they should have to completely pay off their debt to society, that's it. Don't strawman my statements by making up quotes, it's dumb as hell.
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Yeah you're totally not emotionally invested in this. Totally convinced now.
 
JoeMorgue said:
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Yeah you're totally not emotionally invested in this. Totally convinced now.
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Yes, yes, I know. Swearing means angry. Talk about lame arguments.

I corrected you, if you think that makes me "totally emotionally invested" then go right ahead and feel that way. I already showed that your feelings meter is busted and broken. I'm invested in it up to the point that I stated my piece and you claimed I was saying or implying something I wasn't.

Feel free to stop replying, I'm not begging for your input. You've been wrong in your last two posts, quit while you're behind.
 
plague311 said:
Yeah, so mine was after probation, that makes sense.

I feel they shouldn't be able to vote because the broke the laws of society, especially felons which are a higher degree of criminal activity. Before they get to participate fully in society again then they should have to serve out the duration of their punishment.

I'm not going to argue with you though, as Joe said this could be its own thread but I still wouldn't participate. I've thought about it a lot, I am a convicted felon, I've been through everything and my mind is made up.

We can disagree, it's fine.
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That's all fair. And I respect your opinion. Especially considering your courage to share your personal history.
 
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