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Cont: 2020 Presidential Election part 3

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Half the country is convinced that there is voter fraud, and half the country is convinced that Trump is involved in a coup. Both sides of that are, in my opinion, dumb and panicky.

As of some number of days ago, it was more like 20% of the country that didn't accept Biden's win already, with only 3% claiming that Trump won. As for Trump wanting a coup (or more technically, self-coup)? Hard to say the numbers, but... if it looks like a duck and sounds like a duck, it's usually not particularly wrong to call it a duck. Add to that the part where there are some rather loud voices among the people that he's been pointedly pandering to for years that are calling for him to try to pull one off, among far too many other things... there's plenty of reason for serious concern. Trump is unlikely to succeed, for a variety of reasons, and may concede in light of that, but that does not lessen how bad the situation actually is.


This crap is never going to end. Facts aren't the issue here. It's the acceptance and normalization of the tactics that is the problem in my view.

Which somewhat wraps around full circle - given that *you* are the person in this discussion that's been acting to normalize such - which is what much of the friction you're generating arises from when those who take issue with that are strongly against normalizing it.




Are you sure you were meant to post that bit?

Likely. Emily's Cat quite seems to understand that that is a strategy in play and openly states that she doesn't like it, but as ever, had remarkable difficulty in differentiating between the forces that actually seek to employ that as a political strategy and those who regard it more as an unfortunate consequence of the actual facts and evidence available.

If, given the implication in your question, you really want to consider EC to be... working for some power, it may be worth a reminder that doubt/disinformation campaigns tend to employ a number of approaches, and sometimes with multiple at once. The "direct idiot" approach is only one branch of several.
 
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Wow! Michigan just refused to certify the election results! Having courage is a beautiful thing. The USA stands proud!

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Kayleigh McEnany
@kayleighmcenany
After presenting 234 pages of sworn affidavits raising allegations of fraud in Wayne County, Michigan voting, the Wayne County Board of Canvassers has DECLINED to certify their portion of the Michigan vote.

Joining @seanhannity with more at 9:00 pm ET!
 
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Flip Michigan back to TRUMP. Detroit, not surprisingly, has tremendous problems!
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The Election Wizard
@Wizard_Predicts
The total number of ballots cast in Wayne County was about 863,000.
Without Wayne County, Biden’s lead in Michigan would flip to a 177,000 Trump lead.
So yes, certifying Wayne County is a big deal.
The State of Michigan will now be tasked with attempting certification.
 
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More votes than people, and that is the least of it!!!
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The Election Wizard
@Wizard_Predicts
The refusal of Wayne County (Detroit) to certify their election results is a huge win for President Trump.
The Wayne County board found the number of ballots cast did not match the number of people who signed in to vote.
 
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Well, it’s really quite simple. You just can’t have more votes than people!
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Josh Caplan
@joshdcaplan
Michigan Republican Chair Laura Cox praises blocking of certifying Wayne County election results: "The people of Michigan deserve to know what happened in Wayne County... This action will allow more time for us to get to the bottom of these deeply troubling irregularities."
 
Trump Tweets what appears to be a request for Governer Kemp to 'fix' the run off!

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Wow! Governor Kemp will hopefully see the light before it is too late. Must finally take charge! Two GREAT Senators, who do so much for Georgia and truly love the USA, are in a must win battle with two incompetents who don’t have a clue!
 
That was the nickname for John Gotti. Coincidentally, Rudy knows that well since he prosecuted Gotti. As much as I'd like to agree with you on this, I don't remember anyone before the last few years refer to Trump as that.


Trump was also nicknamed Teflon Don in the 90's, the same as Gotti, for the same reasons as Gotti, as well as his easy bounce back from bankruptcy(s).

The first time I heard the name "Teflon Don" was in a write up about Trump way back when. I didn't learn about this Gotti character having the same nickname until after his death in the early 2000's.

I'm sure if you search through the internet you can find references to that name predating Trump's presidency.
 
Trump apparently cancels the planned thanksgiving celebrations at Mar-a-Lago, choosing to instead remain in the White House. Anyone have theories as to why?


Maybe the Mexican criminal rapists working at Mar-A-Lago for $2/hr under the table aren't as good at making Trump's favourite dish KFC-Big-Mac-Green-Bean-Casserole like the $90,000/yr salaried White House chefs do?

Just a guess.
 
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Flip Michigan back to TRUMP. Detroit, not surprisingly, has tremendous problems!

Not so fast donnie. From The Guardian published six hours ago:

Michigan’s largest county has reversed course and unanimously certified its presidential election results after Republicans first blocked the move in a party-line vote that threatened to temporarily stall official approval of Democrat Joe Biden’s win in the state. The Wayne county board of canvassers acted after their 2-2 tie was condemned by Democrats, election experts and the meeting’s online spectators as a dangerous attempt to overthrow the will of voters. The board met after days of unsuccessful litigation filed by Republican poll challengers and President Donald Trump’s allies. They claimed fraud during absentee ballot counting at a Detroit convention center but two judges found no evidence and refused to stop the canvassing process. Guardian link
 
Trump has a number of reasons to not concede yet.

I think all your reasons have merit.

But this one stands out:

“6. He wants to keep the attention on himself and not let Biden steal his thunder.”

It’s really the only option his malignant narcissism allows now.

That, plus he sees the whole thing through the lens of “ratings” - just another reality TV show. Which always benefits from a cliffhanger, no matter how preposterous. “Who shot J.R.?” eclipsed in perpetuity by “Who really won in 2020?”.

And it’s working.
 
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Claire Simms
@Claire_FOX5

#BREAKING:
@GaSecofState's office confirms Floyd County has found 2,600 ballots during audit. Says Sec. Raffensperger wants the elections director to step down. @FOX5Atlant #gapol
 
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Trump votes.
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Josh Lederman
@JoshNBCNews

The Floyd County (Georgia) Elections Board confirms to @NBCNews the audit found 2500-2700 votes that weren't counted.

"At this time we don't know for sure what went wrong," says Board Member Melanie Conrad
 
Given that Biden's lead in Georgia is about 22,000 and some of these were votes for him, this won't change the result, but presumably Trump will claim that this proves that he was right about the entire Presidential election being rigged.

Dave
 
Given that Biden's lead in Georgia is about 22,000 and some of these were votes for him, this won't change the result, but presumably Trump will claim that this proves that he was right about the entire Presidential election being rigged.

Dave

His lead is only 14K, but then again, this is the same stupid report from 2 days ago.

Biden's lead has been cut to 13 200, or something like that.

It resulted because the precinct director from the Republican district forgot to upload the data. It was a mistake, not fraud. Given the district, the person was more than likely a republican, even.

But again, this was first reported 2 days ago. Trump only is saying something about it now to avoid addressing the certification in Michigan and Rudy's disastrous appearance yesterday in court.
 
Still banging the same drum

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This was a rigged election. No Republican Poll Watchers allowed, voting machine “glitches” all over the place (meaning they got caught cheating!), voting after election ended, and so much more!

They didn’t even allow Republican Observers into the building to watch. A terrible insult to our Constitution!
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Mike Sacks
@MikeSacksEsq
Here's the PA Supreme Court's 5-2 majority opinion rejecting the Trump Campaign's claim that Republican observers didn't get "meaningful access" to watch the vote counting http://pacourts.us/assets/opinions/Supreme/out/J-116-2020mo - 104608159120049033.pdf?cb=1
 
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