2020 Presidential Election part 2

[Galaxie]

I'm thinking they will call MI for Biden soon. 99% is reporting* and his lead is ~37000


*According to the AP

 

[ToddH]

Pennsylvania is down to 6.6%, Trump's lead is dropping fast.

I think Biden will pull ahead in Pennsylvania and also win Michigan, which would put him over 270.

 

[KDLarsen]

trump is going all in on the "voter fraud"-lie, his campaign has announced they will be suing to halt the vote-count in Pennsylvania as well.

 

[JoeMorgue]

Yeah remember we had 10 faithless electors in 2016. I'd rather our margin of victory not be within that.

 

[Cain]

I have to agree. It is stunningly disappointing that an useless, bigoted windbag like Trump can be this close to winning a second term. It's almost like half the US is pushing Trump on the rest of the country because it's funny. Whether the other half, or even Trump particularly, want it.

Trump also has the advantages of incumbency and a pro-Republican EC. Still, it is incredible that a quarter of a million Americans died and people still wanted Trump to be president.

 

[crescent]

deleted, I'll repost later

 

[KDLarsen]

This is grotesque, with more than a million votes left to count, the trump campaign is claiming victory in Pennsylvania. Noone's buying it of course, but it'll feed into the ongoing campaign of disinformation.

 

[Garrison]

This is grotesque, with more than a million votes left to count, the trump campaign is claiming victory in Pennsylvania. Noone's buying it of course, but it'll feed into the ongoing campaign of disinformation.

Well besides incumbency and partisanship I think sheer confusion has helped Trump. Some people simply can't process Trump's utter detachment from reality, 'he just can't be lying as much as some of the media claims'.

 

[Meadmaker]

This is grotesque, with more than a million votes left to count, the trump campaign is claiming victory in Pennsylvania. Noone's buying it of course, but it'll feed into the ongoing campaign of disinformation.

A very good word to describe it.

I'm very pleased at the reaction of most elected officials to this election. The most common reaction is "We have to count every vote." The people who are holding out hope for a Trump win are, for the most part, saying that as well.

And then there's Trump himself, undermining democracy. He is demonstrating why he is unfit to be President.

I expect that the Trump campaign would use every legal maneuver they can, and the Republican Party in general would do that. It's all part of the process. However, if Trump were a decent person, he would do all that, but insist that the law be followed, and every vote be counted, and when it is all over, respect the result.

No one expects that to happen, though. It's Trump.

 

[JoeMorgue]

Some people simply can't process Trump's utter detachment from reality, 'he just can't be lying as much as some of the media claims'.

That would slot in nicely next to the "The only sin you can commit is being over-dramatic" mentality.

 

[Bob001]

Something else to think about: Voting machines and software are proprietary. Manufacturers don't have to let anybody examine or test them.

Most voting technology used throughout the U.S. is covered by intellectual property law. That means the touch-screen you might have tapped on to vote could be patented. The software used to process your vote could be copyrighted. Before you even got to the voting booth, your ballot was likely designed on copyrighted software.
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“You know how Apple fights against law enforcement coming in and going into their iPhone software? Well, you’d be in the same position,” said Ptashnik. “You might have to go all the way to the Supreme Court to get permission to get into proprietary software.”

https://www.politico.com/news/magaz...-recount-ballot-machine-technology-law-433871

 

[Skeptic Tank]

 

[JoeMorgue]

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Going to the movies, getting on a plane, and getting a drivers licenses aren't Constitutional Rights and core parts of the Democratic Process. Please keep up.

 

[Skeptic Tank]

Going to the movies, getting on a plane, and getting a drivers licenses aren't Constitutional Rights and core parts of the Democratic Process. Please keep up.

Right, they're trivial by comparison. Which makes it significantly more important to verify identity / actual possession of said right (if you're a Canadian tourist having a laugh, and you walk in knowing someone's name and address, you can vote despite not having the Constitutional Right to do so.)

 

[Bob001]

Post Office sat on thousands of ballots.

Nearly 7 percent of ballots in U.S. Postal Service sorting facilities on Tuesday were not processed on time for submission to election officials, according to data the agency filed Wednesday in federal court, potentially leaving tens of thousands of ballots caught in the mail system during an especially tight presidential race.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2020/11/03/election-ballot-delays-usps/

 

[JoeMorgue]

Right, they're trivial by comparison. Which makes it significantly more important to verify identity / actual possession of said right (if you're a Canadian tourist having a laugh, and you walk in knowing someone's name and address, you can vote despite not having the Constitutional Right to do so.)

And if voter fraud happened (and again I must remind you that we are having this discussion in reality where facts matter, not racist Republican la-la-land where they don't) we could care about that.

Mass voter disenfranchisement and intimidation does occur.

 

[Tero]

I'll put in a more conservative guess, from my original 270-300 to Biden. It will come out 270 to 268. Recounts etc won't change it.

 

[Bob001]

Right, they're trivial by comparison. Which makes it significantly more important to verify identity / actual possession of said right (if you're a Canadian tourist having a laugh, and you walk in knowing someone's name and address, you can vote despite not having the Constitutional Right to do so.)

Prove that has happened, or anything like it.

 

[Olmstead]

Right, they're trivial by comparison. Which makes it significantly more important to verify identity / actual possession of said right (if you're a Canadian tourist having a laugh, and you walk in knowing someone's name and address, you can vote despite not having the Constitutional Right to do so.)

There are way more exciting felonies you could be comitting.

 

[Monza]

When was the last time anyone needed an ID to see a movie? Maybe if a 12-year old tries to get into an NC-17 movie, but then again 10-year olds aren't allowed to vote.