2020 Democratic Candidates Tracker

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Skeptic Ginger said:
Oh for pity's sake, just say what you are referring to. I am not going on a scavenger hunt.
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The only reason you're going on a scavenger hunt is that you were too busy attacking me for something I didn't say to get it right the first or second time.

Now you're asking me to do your own due diligence for you. The way I see it, you owe me a favor, not the other way around.
 
theprestige said:
The only reason you're going on a scavenger hunt is that you were too busy attacking me for something I didn't say to get it right the first or second time.

Now you're asking me to do your own due diligence for you. The way I see it, you owe me a favor, not the other way around.
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Good for you then, I'm not bothering. You can happily believe you were wronged and I can continue to believe Biden made some very racist statements.

Problem solved.
 
Trebuchet said:
I'm not. He's white, old, male, and Christian. Anyone without those four qualifications has baggage whether justified or not. Although his Catholicism may be a problem, but only with people who weren't going to vote for a Dem anyhow.
For the record, I don't favor nominating Joe, Bernie, or anyone else as old as me. The attack ads are going to come out against whoever the D's nominate. And soon.At the moment, if asked, I'll just say I'm supporting Inslee because I've voted for him before.
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They don't need to wait that long....


https://www.donaldjtrump.com/landing/2020-trump-vs-dem-poll
 
Trebuchet said:
I'm not. He's white, old, male, and Christian. Anyone without those four qualifications has baggage whether justified or not. Although his Catholicism may be a problem, but only with people who weren't going to vote for a Dem anyhow.
For the record, I don't favor nominating Joe, Bernie, or anyone else as old as me. The attack ads are going to come out against whoever the D's nominate. And soon.
At the moment, if asked, I'll just say I'm supporting Inslee because I've voted for him before.
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There you go. Those qualifications may be a negative with mainstream democrats but it is the swing voters and Republicans who don't like Trump who could make the difference in this election.
 
The Atheist said:
You're telling me that the actual site of the President of the United States?

I'm reading it as parody, but if it's not, holy crap. And see my sig.
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A Poe maybe but honestly, the Democrats flood my email daily with push polls that are almost as bad.
 
bruto said:
They don't need to wait that long....


https://www.donaldjtrump.com/landing/2020-trump-vs-dem-poll
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That survey is a bit hilarious, regardless. Even with the attacks on Democrats, the questions are mostly worded in a way that the Democrat still comes out on top.

1. Who would you rather see fix our Nation’s shattered immigration policies?

President Trump
A MS-13 Loving Democrat
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Why are they shattered? President Trump.
Which Democrats are these? I have no idea, but even if they loved MS-13, they would be fairly certain to be incredibly less wasteful, inefficient, corrupt, cruel, and dishonest when it comes to border security.

2. Who do you trust more to protect America from foreign and domestic threats?

President Trump
A Corrupt Democrat
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The Democrat, given that Trump and his Administration have been one of the most corrupt US administrations ever. One would be very, very hard pressed to find a Democrat running for President who is corrupt enough to even be in the same order of magnitude.


3. Who would you rather handle our Nation’s economy?

President Trump
A Radical Socialist Democrat
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The Democrat, not that there even are any radical socialist democrats in the running. Setting us up for a massive fall economically and pursuing wildly inefficient giveaways to those that will benefit the economy the least is not good handling of our Nation's economy, before getting to the Tariffs nonsense and market insecurity that Trump has induced.

4. Who do you believe is more transparent with the American People?

President Trump
A Lying Democrat
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The Democrat. Pretty much no Democrat who lies like Trump has much chance of getting the nomination and Trump's Administration has somewhat famously been opaque all along, but has gotten even worse since he's outright ordered his people not to comply with so very, very many attempts to get information.

5. Who do you trust to NOT raise your taxes?

President Trump
A High Tax Democrat
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Hard to say, even on this front. Trump's credibility is roughly nil and those temporary small tax cuts for the average American will likely be expiring, but it's unlikely that the Bought by Radical Libertarian Tax Haters Republicans will go for any actual overt tax increases. Meanwhile, you have the "High Tax Democrats" focusing more on taxing a tiny, tiny group for a very small proportion of their wealth... and even if they were to support tax increases, the average American would fairly certainly end up benefiting more from their spending choices than the Republicans. So, I would count this as a draw, at best, with the more responsible choice still being the Democrat.

6. Who do you believe will ALWAYS put America FIRST?

President Trump
A Sleazy Democrat
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Always? Neither. The Democrat, however, would have to be a very, very special case to be worse than Trump when it comes to making the US a better place. Trump's nigh always putting himself first, either way, in a way that no Democrat could get away with.

7. Who do you believe will keep their promises?

President Trump
A Lyin’ Democrat
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Depends on the promises. Going further, though, to consult Politifact... Obama kept almost half his promises and compromised to get progress to happen on a lot more. Combining those, Obama's at a bit over 75% for promise keeping. Trump, on the other hand... He's at more like 30%, with almost as high a percent of outright broken promises as Obama at present. Whatever other factors one might consider, Trump isn't all that trustworthy.

8. Who do you believe will fight for you every day?

President Trump
A Low Energy Democrat
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Every day? Neither. Given the number of days Trump has taken off for golf, alone, any Democrat would be somewhat hard pressed to do less actual fighting for me than Trump. Unless one considers constantly yelling at staff and generally endorsing chaos in the White House to fulfill the fighting part.

9. Who do you believe is better for America?

President Trump
A Low IQ Democrat
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Democrat. Low IQ Trump is outright bad for America, after all. A low IQ Democrat would likely be a little good for America, overall.

10. Who will you vote for in 2020?

President Trump
A Radical Socialist Democrat
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I'll settle for one of the Democrats, since there just aren't any radical socialist Democrats among the candidates, by the look of it.

The Atheist said:
You're telling me that the actual site of the President of the United States?

I'm reading it as parody, but if it's not, holy crap. And see my sig.
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I'm thinking... very likely not parody. Even if it were Poe, though, it's pretty much directly in line with what Trump's been consistently pushing anyways, so...
 
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The Atheist said:
You mean "most popular".

Meanwhile, and yes, it's very early days and limited numbers, but current polling seems to indicate Harris is now a solid second, mere margin-of-error behind Biden.

Wall Street smiles.
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The idea that Wall Street wants Harris, the only state AG that actually went after big banks for the mortgage crisis, is so hugely amusingly daft. She got them to pay $18 billion in a settlement so huge other state AG's were angry with her because it made them look like they were soft on big banks.
 
Travis said:
The idea that Wall Street wants Harris, the only state AG that actually went after big banks for the mortgage crisis, is so hugely amusingly daft. She got them to pay $18 billion in a settlement so huge other state AG's were angry with her because it made them look like they were soft on big banks.
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Maybe they're masochists - I'm just telling you what is.

http://inthesetimes.com/article/218...-banks-private-equity-2020-campaign-donations

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/kamala-harris-wells-fargo-miguel-bustos_n_5d1545fde4b07f6ca57ab47e
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
A Poe maybe but honestly, the Democrats flood my email daily with push polls that are almost as bad.
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Snopes seems to believe it's genuine. As usual for such things, it's not actually directly from Trump but from the party committee to re-elect him so that one cannot directly assign any responsibility to anyone. I suppose someone with more chutzpah than I'm feeling right now could hit the reply button and see where it sends them, but I'll let someone else take one for the team.
 
Harris kind of odd. She's said one thing and then the other on private health care and Medicare for All a few times. I think she is trying to use supplemental private insurance to answer "yes" or "no" to whether private insurance would be abolished at different times.

Then on busing, she ended giving the same answer Biden did.

For her history as a progressive prosecutor, she has been on both sides of issues a lot as well.
 
Tsukasa Buddha said:
Harris kind of odd. She's said one thing and then the other on private health care and Medicare for All a few times. I think she is trying to use supplemental private insurance to answer "yes" or "no" to whether private insurance would be abolished at different times.

Then on busing, she ended giving the same answer Biden did.

For her history as a progressive prosecutor, she has been on both sides of issues a lot as well.
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Yeah because bussing in the 70s and the 90s is exactly the same. :rolleyes:
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
Yeah because bussing in the 70s and the 90s is exactly the same. :rolleyes:
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I'm not being facetious in asking this, what do you mean?

In this context:

During the two decades between 1970 and 1990, the nation made steady progress toward school desegregation, particularly in the South. At peak, 40 percent of black Southern students attended a formerly all-white school, while less than a third of all black students attended black schools.

Since the 1990s, that progress has been reversing in Southern public schools, while the largely intractable segregation of the Northern cities has intensified. Nationwide, nearly 75 percent of black students attend so-called majority-minority schools, and 38 percent attend schools with a white population of 10 percent or less. Similar statistics apply to Latino students: 80 percent and 40 percent, respectively. Both black and Latino students are much more likely than white students to attend a school where 60 percent or more of their classmates are living in poverty, as measured by the percentage of students eligible for free or reduced-price lunch programs.

Separate remains unequal as schools with concentrated poverty and racial segregation are more likely to have less-experienced teachers, high levels of teacher turnover, inadequate facilities and fewer classroom resources.

Legal constraints have much to do with this backward momentum. Some 60 years after Brown v. Board of Education, a series of key Supreme Court decisions have dramatically reduced the number of implementation methods available to communities engaged in school desegregation. They have eliminated strategies such as cross-district busing, dismantled local court supervision of desegregation plans, and limited use of race-based admissions to ensure diversity in magnet-school programs.

According to an analysis by the UCLA Civil Rights Project, the number of intensely segregated schools with zero to 10 percent white enrollment has more than tripled as these options for desegregation have been curtailed. Students are, once again, predominantly assigned to public schools based on where they live — and to the extent that neighborhoods are segregated, the schools remain so. The persistence of residential segregation now ensures continuing school segregation.
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Linky.

I don't see why federally implemented busing should have been supported by Biden but not currently by Harris.
 
Tsukasa Buddha said:
I'm not being facetious in asking this, what do you mean?

In this context:



Linky.

I don't see why federally implemented busing should have been supported by Biden but not currently by Harris.
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Integration is a different animal today and requires different solutions. However, that doesn't mean schools aren't becoming segregated again or that a new federal busing mandate won't be needed in the future. It would take a whole new campaign to implement it though.

But regarding Harris, what is your point, that she really doesn't think it was needed when she was a child?

I said very clearly it wasn't just Biden being against mandatory bussing. He lied about it. He sponsored legislation to end it. He wasn't just compromising with segregationists as evidence he could work across the aisle. He sought their support for his bill. And he made those racist statements that mixed race kids in classes would bring down the education quality for all of them. Tell me that isn't Biden implying those black kids in the schools would hurt the white kids.
 
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