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Yup, if the Democrats want to lose the 2020 election, they really should pick up the 'ban private health insurance' policy.

First of all, its a really exceptionally stupid policy. Canada, the only major western country that has followed that plan, generally ranks near the bottom of health care rankings, and has well-known problems with wait lists. Of course, I've brought that issue up before, but the typical response is either "nobody is talking about banning private insurance" (even though they are) or "Look at how the poor people suffer" (which is a problem that has to be addressed, just not through banning private options).

Secondly, its a very unpopular policy.

From: https://thehill.com/hilltv/what-ame...want-the-government-to-provide-healthcare-for
In a Hill-HarrisX survey released Thursday, 13 percent of respondents said they would prefer a health care system that covers all citizens and doesn't allow for private plans, an approach that is sometimes referred to as "single-payer." The most popular option, at 32 percent, consisted of a universal, government-operated system that also would allow people to buy private, supplemental insurance. Twenty-six percent of respondents said they wanted a government insurance plan offered to all citizens, but one that doesn't compel people with private plans to use it, a system sometimes called a "public option."

In fact, just as many people either wanted the system to stay the same (14%), or wanted an end to all government health care (15%) as wanted a "single payer" system.

Say that you want "universal health care" and pretty much everyone (including many republicans) will cheer and say "yes". Say that you want to give public options to everyone and most people will still say "yes". Tell people "We will take away any private options and force you into a public system" and not only will you lose any chance of making inroads with republican voters, you will lose the independents and even a good chunk of the Democratic base.

So Harris (and Sanders) want a health care policy that 1) is politically unpopular, and 2) if implemented, would replicate a system that, while better than the U.S. in certain ways, still ranks near the bottom of health care systems.

If the democrats adopt that policy, you will immediately see an influx of Fox News reporters into Canada, interviewing any and every person who has been stuck on a waiting list in order to get their "free" health care, as a reminder to voters that "single payer" isn't the utopia that certain people make it out to be.


That's the problem now, isn't it... She would actually have to WIN, with a policy that is wildly unpopular.

I think the "WE DON"T NEED NO STINKING CENTRISTS/MODERAATES" attitude I am seeing with the Progressive Wing is a almost sure fire recipe for four more years of Trump.
It's just like the Tea Party"They live in a bubble surrounded by fellow true beleivers, and that distorts reality.
 
I caught about 60% of the debate. Castro did very well. He'd probably be a good candidate for VP. No one really had a good answer for how they would deal with Mitch. Biggest news for me was Warren calling for abolishing private health insurance. Realistically, like how Obama campaigned on a public option we didn't get, if she won we would probably end up with a public option, if anything was passed at all.

Watch Warren start to back pedal on this within a few days.
I think the danger that Warren and Berrnie face is in trying to go farther to the left then each other to win the progressive vote, they move so far to the left as to make themselves unelectable in November.
 
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Wait, what? There was a debate last night? With the election 16 months away? Give me a break. I'll check in in January or so.

We have to start eliminating some of these folks. It's not too early to start.

Ninja'd by Tomkins and dudalb.
 
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Watch Warren start to back pedal on this within a few days.
I think the danger that Warren and Berrnie face is in trying to go farther to the left then each other to win the progressive vote, they move so far to the left as to make themselves unelectable in November.

I wonder how much of it is getting positive feedback from the people at their rallies and believing they can just change the world.

It's a risk we'll have in defeating Trump.

Warren has a great spiel, government by the people and all that. But when she says things like get rid of all private health insurance and in Bernie's case, free college for all, they're going to lose the vote.

I said this about Sanders in 2016.

They need a more reasonable approach and they need to articulate how they are going to tax the rich in real simple sound bites.
 
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What I find amusing is that some of the Proggresives are starting to go after Biden because of his age;apparentl;y they have not noted when their great god Bernie was born....
Frankly, I think both Biden and Sanders are too old for the office. If either wins, it's will be a bit like 1944;where the Dems at the convention were very aware that in choosing a Veep they were very likely choosing a President.
 
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Excellent. Some neon-nazis claim that it was just for nudes but I don't believe that.
 
Segnosaur, not likely any Democrat will actually pass an exclusive govt plan. More likely medicare will be offered for all, leaving employer based plans.
 
Segnosaur, not likely any Democrat will actually pass an exclusive govt plan. More likely medicare will be offered for all, leaving employer based plans.

But that is NOT what Warren said;and the GOP will be sure people hear about it.
Oh, I thik Warren is going to backpedal on it an modify it, but the damage is done.
And it comes just when the Centrist in the Democratic Party (count me as one) were beginning to warm to Warren;she did come off as not quite the hard nose ideologue as Bernie, and did not have that weird personality cult thing going ( which I have seen more then enough of with Donnie, thenk you).
The majority of voters are not as far to the left as the progressive seem to think.
 
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I wonder how much of it is getting positive feedback from the people at their rallies and believing they can just change the world.

It's a risk we'll have in defeating Trump.

Warren has a great spiel, government by the people and all that. But when .

I think it's a lot like the Tea Party;they live in an echo chamber where opposing opinions are really not listened to.
It's the Lost Tribe Theory all over again.
 
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Excellent. Some neon-nazis claim that it was just for nudes but I don't believe that.

I'm no fan of Tulsi but that is an interesting data point. My prediction for tonight is that Pete Buttigieg and Andrew Yang will be on the top of that list.
 
The Dems need the centrist vote to win.
Why don't the Republicans?

The Dems now have their own version of the Tea Party to deal with:A group of hard line idelogues for whom the word compromise is a dirty word.
I think the "WE DON"T NEED NO STINKING CENTRISTS/MODERAATES" attitude I am seeing with the Progressive Wing is a almost sure fire recipe for four more years of Trump.
It's just like the Tea Party"They live in a bubble surrounded by fellow true beleivers, and that distorts reality.
I think it's a lot like the Tea Part... It's the Lost Tribe Theory all over again.
The Tea Party movement has been pretty successful. The comparison does not point to a conclusion that the other thing you're comparing with it is doomed to failure.
 
On the first bunch, yesterday:
CNN
"...And the elephant in the room?
It is arguably the biggest question of them all for those vying for the Democratic nomination – how to deal with Donald Trump. Do you make him the epicenter of your presidential strategy, as Joe Biden, the current frontrunner, who will debate on Thursday, has done so far; or do you confine him to the dustbin of history?

The 10 candidates assembled tonight largely took the latter route. "

This is actually because 9 of yesterday's crowd are not going to be president. They were there to present an agenda for their career. Points. Resume for a cabinet position. Etc.

New debate just started. It is somewhat like last night. Noise. Kirsten Gillibrand is doing a trump thing: she will not shut up!
 
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After first hour, Buttigieg has had A+ answers. Harris seems to be angling for "Bernie, but focused on the human experience".

I'm afraid the author on the left is going to start talking about chemtrails. Yang isn't terribly good at public speaking.

Bernie and Biden haven't been very memorable.
 
Fireworks at beginning of this hour with race. First was Buttigieg, where he was blunt about failing. Biden tried fighting back, and it isn't looking good. Interesting contrast for probably a lose/lose situation.

ETA: From first reaction, Biden looked a lot worse for it because he kept getting killed by Harris.
 
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“Amigo, échame la mano con este casco. Quiero que tomes una foto de mi en un Tanque militar.”

Dukakis (may he rest in peace) proved that you can't coast into the presidency just on sheer unadulterated sexiness. A lesson for Bernie Sanders, there.
 
Oh snap, random woman on the left called out New Zealand's PM?

This debate is definitely less organized.
 
Mayor Pete's doing better than I expected - although he's still too general. Biden and Sanders aren't fumbling too many answers, the best so far is Harris - she always will be as the career lawyer, much like Hillary was the best debater every time she was on the debating stage.

And again, the worst person is Chuck Todd.

Serious answer is that, unlike last night when O'Rourke was a clear fail, there's no major candidate that's awful here. Biden's reply to Harris was...eh, his base is older black voters, Harris may have really harmed him on bussing there. Maybe.
 
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