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SezMe said:
I try to stay up on USA politics but I have no idea who this "well-known Democrat" Lurch is. A search for "Lurch Democrat" yields nothing but horse poop about the Dem's so-called "lurch" to the left.

Give me a hand here.
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;)

You rang?

John Kerry. The "Speak truth to power" guy.

Some say he vaguely resembles the Addams Family butler, Lurch.
 
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...so the idea was that he'd win this time by trying exactly what failed him last time (obsessing over Vietnam).
 
Delvo said:
...so the idea was that he'd win this time by trying exactly what failed him last time (obsessing over Vietnam).
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That wasn't my idea. My idea was to give Trump hell and expose him for what he is - an ignorant counterprod and buffoon.

And don't bother trying to turn the loyal Trumpkins. It's a waste of time.
 
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Toontown said:
That wasn't my idea. My idea was to give Trump hell and expose him for what he is - an ignorant counterprod and buffoon.
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This is an important insight.

Trump has only succeeded so far because nobody knows that he's a buffoon. If only we'd seen this in 2016, Hillary Clinton would be president today.

But Toontown's strategy is too little, too late, and now Hilllary Clinton will never be president.
 
theprestige said:
This is an important insight.

Trump has only succeeded so far because nobody knows that he's a buffoon. If only we'd seen this in 2016, Hillary Clinton would be president today.

But Toontown's strategy is too little, too late, and now Hilllary Clinton will never be president.
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Repeating false narrative, Trump repeats it often as do his spokespeople: The voters knew all those negative things about Trump and they still voted for him. The Trump team often repeats it when Trump refuses to turn over the tax returns he promised to turn over.

It's a propaganda move to try to weaken any arguments against Trump.

No, the voters heard he would turn over the returns, they believed it.

The voters heard he'd restore the coal industry. He has not done it.

The voters heard he had a replacement plan for the ACA. He doesn't.

The voters heard Mexico would build the wall. Mexico isn't going to do it.


As for succeeded, surely you understand that at the moment said wonderful economy has two big flaws. One, the gains are fake. They resulted from a silent economic stimulus which occurred when the deficit was increased by a large amount with the 'tax cut'.

And two, wages have not gone up for most people. Most voters have not benefitted. The Democrats need to drive home that narrative.
 
Toontown said:
Trump's base is not in play. They can't be turned. They have to be voted down.

If they want to be isolated, then isolate and outnumber them.
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RecoveringYuppy said:
I'm guessing you are trying to be a provocative poster or something? Or PWD??
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I didn't 'try' to do anything. I succeeded in openly stating an easily observable fact.

Don't believe me? Try turning a Trumpkin. Let us know how it goes.
 
theprestige said:
This is an important insight.

Trump has only succeeded so far because nobody knows that he's a buffoon. If only we'd seen this in 2016, Hillary Clinton would be president today.

But Toontown's strategy is too little, too late, and now Hilllary Clinton will never be president.
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Stuck in the year 2016, I see. Bad year to be stuck in.

Sorry. I have no idea how to get you out of there, and do not intend to waste any time trying.

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Toontown said:
I didn't 'try' to do anything. I succeeded in openly stating an easily observable fact.

Don't believe me? Try turning a Trumpkin. Let us know how it goes.
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Well unless you're using some "True Scottsman" definition for Trumpkin you are likely wrong. IMO Trump failing to live up to his isolationist promises is an issue that has moved elements of his base.
 
RecoveringYuppy said:
Well unless you're using some "True Scottsman" definition for Trumpkin you are likely wrong. IMO Trump failing to live up to his isolationist promises is an issue that has moved elements of his base.
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I think the argument that Trump's base would never leave him or that Trump has maintained his base to be a nonsense unproved claim.

To say that, you have to determine who was his base say in 2016 and who is his base today and has that changed? That 35 to 40 percent of the population might still vote for him in 2020 doesn't mean he hasn't lost support from certain voters that checked his name in 2016 or that some voters who voted against him in 2016 are supporting him now.

I'm not impressed that Trump has reportedly 35 to 40 percent support. That's a damn disaster for the Republican party. What this proves to me is the old adage that 4 out of 10 voters will vote Republican and 4 out of 10 voters will vote Democrats regardless of who is running. The person who wins the election is the one that wins the other 2. Trump is feeding red meat to xenophobes but it is also feeding his opposition.

IMV, Trump has to get lightning to strike twice again. Trump is going to lose the popular vote again. I'm pretty sure of that. But can he win those swing states that he pulled off tiny majorities in again? Sure, Trump will probably win the deep South and white middle America.

But can he win in Wisconsin, Florida, North Carolina, Pennsylvania, Michigan again? Trump can't afford to lose a single point in those states to win a second time. That's his challenge.
 
Toontown said:
Stuck in the year 2016, I see. Bad year to be stuck in.
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Says the guy who posted this:

Toontown said:
That wasn't my idea. My idea was to give Trump hell and expose him for what he is - an ignorant counterprod and buffoon.
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Exposing Trump as a buffoon needed to be done - and was done - in 2016. From my vantage point here in 2019, that ship has sailed. Whatever your plan for 2020, it needs to move beyond the 2016 strategies.

Do you want more Trump? Because going into 2020 screaming "but he's a buffoooon!" is probably a good way to get more Trump.

Who would even be your audience for that message? Not the Trumpers, you've already written them off. Swing voters? That's your plan to beat Trump? Condescend to swing voters on the assumption that they haven't noticed Donald Trump at all in the past ten years?

If you really want more Trump, practice saying this line: "You were too stupid to notice that Trump was a buffoon back in 2012. You were too stupid to notice that he was a buffoon when you voted for him in 2016. You are still too stupid to figure out that he's a buffoon, three years into his presidency. So I'm explaining it to you now, so that you'll know how stupid you are, and be less stupid in 2020."

I guarantee that will settle the matter for a lot of swing voters.
 
theprestige said:
If you really want more Trump, practice saying this line: "You were too stupid to notice that Trump was a buffoon back in 2012. You were too stupid to notice that he was a buffoon when you voted for him in 2016. You are still too stupid to figure out that he's a buffoon, three years into his presidency. So I'm explaining it to you now, so that you'll know how stupid you are, and be less stupid in 2020."
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I'm starting to notice a trend where you reword things to make them seem more ridiculous, or to make them seem to support your point.
 
RecoveringYuppy said:
Well unless you're using some "True Scottsman" definition for Trumpkin you are likely wrong. IMO Trump failing to live up to his isolationist promises is an issue that has moved elements of his base.
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One problem with moving the base is that it probably doesn't move them into some other base.

If I'm an isolationist, I'll be disillusioned by a candidate that promises isolationism but doesn't deliver. But I won't be so disillusioned that I switch to a faction that has interventionism as a core value. I'm going to stick with the isolationist faction and hope that their next candidate does a better job of keeping his campaign promises. The last thing I want is an interventionist that keeps his campaign promise.

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Note: The above is largely hypothetical. I'm not actually an isolationist. And I generally don't expect politicians to keep their campaign promises anyway. I'm not even really part of Trump's "base". Assuming he even has one.
 
Belz... said:
I'm starting to notice a trend where you reword things to make them seem more ridiculous, or to make them seem to support your point.
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That's just your portrayal of the situation, conveniently phrased to make you look right a priori.

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ETA: I don't think I can actually make Toontown's ideas seem more ridiculous than they are to begin with.
 
Belz... said:
I'm starting to notice a trend where you reword things to make them seem more ridiculous, or to make them seem to support your point.
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He does more than reword. He adds words. Lots of words. And leaves out the ones he can't use.
 
RecoveringYuppy said:
Well unless you're using some "True Scottsman" definition for Trumpkin you are likely wrong. IMO Trump failing to live up to his isolationist promises is an issue that has moved elements of his base.
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I consider his base to be the bottom 30% or maybe a little less. The support above that fluctuates with the daily vagaries of Trumpery.
 
Joe's got some more 'splainin' to do. During his YouTube video, Biden focused on Charlottesville, and the removal of Robert E. Lee's statue.

Thursday, Biden entered the presidential race, and he used Trump’s words about a statue of Lee and the people who attended the Unite the Right rally in August 2017 as the focal point for his announcement video.
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But guess what? Biden voted in 1975 to restore Robert E. Lee's citizenship. Sounds to me like that makes him alt-right or Neo-Nazi. Or maybe he's one of those some who are fine people?
 
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theprestige said:
Says the guy who posted this:

Exposing Trump as a buffoon needed to be done - and was done - in 2016. From my vantage point here in 2019, that ship has sailed. Whatever your plan for 2020, it needs to move beyond the 2016 strategies.
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I don't agree with your assessment that the Trumpkins knew he was a counterproductive buffoon in 2016. I seriously doubt many people believe a counterproductive buffoon is going to wave a magic wand and make them great again.

Maybe you knew, but I have no recollection of you saying so.
 
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