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Belz... said:
I'm objecting to you wording it in a way that defines it as you being right from the get-go. Committing a crime isn't being against society, though you could perhaps say that the actions run counter to said society.
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I see committing crimes as being against society. I worded it the way I see it, to explain why I favored the consequences I did.

How was I supposed to word it, that both expressed how I view it, and also did not make you feel like I thought I was right?
 
Crossbow said:
I have to wonder what kind of crazy idiot would actually hire a mercenary when the mercenary in question admits that he is a coward.
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The US government is not very picky. They also pay real weird with college education. But a good rule is don't ask the client where they get their money.
 
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BobTheCoward said:
Then your argument has an issue where you argue crimes are against society, but don't actually know crimes are against society.
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Your error here is taking a figure of speech literally.

The only issue with my argument is that it's orthogonal to your paradigm. And I view your paradigm as antagonistically worthless to rational discussion. As soon as you try to shift the center of the discussion from my paradigm to yours, I'm out. I have no interest in arguing with you about what crime is. If you want to stipulate that crime is anti-social, and continue the discussion on that basis, let me know.
 
Biden starts with a gaffe, doesn't bode well for an old white guy.

Biden’s ‘all men’-focused announcement gets roasted
Today, former Vice President Joe Biden announced his candidacy for the 2020 Democratic nominee. In his announcement video, he focused on the ideals of Thomas Jefferson, who wrote the Declaration of Independence.

Biden, tried to contrast Jefferson’s words that “all men are created equal” with images from the neo-Nazi rally in Charlottesville, Virginia—Jefferson’s home—that happened in 2017 and prompted Biden to speak out against President Donald Trump....

When Biden sent that same quote out as part of his blast email announcement—especially given his inappropriate history with women—people noticed.
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theprestige said:
Your error here is taking a figure of speech literally.

The only issue with my argument is that it's orthogonal to your paradigm. And I view your paradigm as antagonistically worthless to rational discussion. As soon as you try to shift the center of the discussion from my paradigm to yours, I'm out. I have no interest in arguing with you about what crime is. If you want to stipulate that crime is anti-social, and continue the discussion on that basis, let me know.
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I have given very few positions on this issue. I'm really curious how you know what you know
 
theprestige said:
Guilty of what? Being religious? Obama associated himself with a church. It's hardly a "guilt by association" issue to infer that he's got some religiosity.
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You're probably guilty of that nonsense but that wasn't the point. You are judging Obama's relationship with his pastor through your own idea of what that is not recognizing that everyone has their own values and motivations.

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Alternatively, why did your hackles get up about Obama's religiosity, but not about Buttigieg's religiosity?
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I didn't. I assume that 75 percent of the politicians are intelligent enough not to actually believe in invisible beings and mythical stories. They are also smart enough to know its political suicide to admit it because of this delusion of the masses.

I mean you would have to be a raving idiot totally disconnected with reality to believe that Trump is a Christian.
 
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acbytesla said:
You're probably guilty of that nonsense but that wasn't the point. You are judging Obama's relationship with his pastor through your own idea of what that is not recognizing that everyone has their own values and motivations.



I didn't. I assume that 75 percent of the politicians are intelligent enough not to actually believe in invisible beings and mythical stories. They are also smart enough to know its political suicide to admit it because of this delusion of the masses.

I mean you would have to be a raving idiot totally disconnected with reality to believe that Trump is a Christian.
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What data do you use for that assumption?
 
BobTheCoward said:
What data do you use for that assumption?
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There are lots of studies showing an inverse correlation between the amount of education and religiosity. More than 90 percent of members of the national academy of sciences do not believe in a God.

I'm thoroughly convinced that smart logical people don't believe in the mythical. They DON'T believe in talking snakes and donkeys as it says in the holy babble. They don't believe in walking on water and rising from the dead either.

But hey, I could be wrong. Every politician who says his religion is important to him/her may be telling the truth. But I don't buy it.
 
This is a rather split hair since it's not like a major, viable non-religious candidate is on the field now or in the foreseeable future.
 
acbytesla said:
You're probably guilty of that nonsense but that wasn't the point. You are judging Obama's relationship with his pastor through your own idea of what that is not recognizing that everyone has their own values and motivations.



I didn't. I assume that 75 percent of the politicians are intelligent enough not to actually believe in invisible beings and mythical stories. They are also smart enough to know its political suicide to admit it because of this delusion of the masses.

I mean you would have to be a raving idiot totally disconnected with reality to believe that Trump is a Christian.
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This is only a problem for you when conservatives point out progressive associations with religion, though. When other progressives do it, that's fine.
 
theprestige said:
This is only a problem for you when conservatives point out progressive associations with religion, though. When other progressives do it, that's fine.
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It's not a problem for me. I think just as many Republicans are lying about their religious beliefs as liberal Democrats. I just think its politically expedient.
 
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BobTheCoward said:
The US government is not very picky. They also pay real weird with college education. But a good rule is don't ask the client where they get their money.
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If possible, please write a coherent post.

And while you are at it, look up the definition of the word "mercenary" because I have the impression that you do not know the correct meaning of that term.

Thanks.
 
Craig4 said:
Why quibble? Candidates and the Democratic Party should campaign as if it's true. Stay on message long enough and it will be true wether he did it or not.
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Subordinate the truth to political expedience. What could go wrong?

"When one lies, it should be a big lie, and one should stick to it."

- Craig4, probably
 
acbytesla said:
It's not a problem for me. I think just as many Republicans are lying about their religious beliefs as liberal Democrats. I just think its politically expedient.
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Tell it to carlitos.

I say it's a problem for you because jumped on me when I suggested it.

And I say it's only a problem when conservatives do it, because you didn't jump on carlitos, even though he introduced the idea.
 
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