2020 Democratic Candidates Tracker

[JoeMorgue]

I think they should have primaries in all fifty states on the same day, rather than picking just a few. Especially when those few are all Yankee or Midwestern states.

New Hampshire and Iowa literally have it written into their state Constitutions that they will have the first primaries (the obvious paradox is resolved by New Hampshire having a Primary and Iowa technically having a caucus and so far no other state has put such a clause in their Constitutions so the waveform hasn't collapsed yet)

 

[varwoche]

"Trust me" is not a convincing way for you to make a point.

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This is wrong, and worse than that it's a low blow. It's obviously true that the GOP would have thrown mud at Sanders had he been nominated. Travis' posting history is irrelevant. Bringing that up here is uncalled for.

 

[Delphic Oracle]

I haven't ignored other countries; they're not relevant to the discussion, plus, plenty of countries aren't showing the same trend.

I assert they are relevant to the discussion, you don't get to just handwave them away by whim.

Some countries not participating in a trend doesn't mean there is no trend.

So, division within USA hasn't increased since his election?

1) rule of so

2) goalpost move detected

 

[acbytesla]

The divide has been created since the election.

If that's the case, you made my point that it has nothing to do with left right politics.

 

[RecoveringYuppy]

This is wrong, and worse than that it's a low blow. It's obviously true that the GOP would have thrown mud at Sanders had he been nominated. Travis' posting history is irrelevant. Bringing that up here is uncalled for.

Yeah, they would have thrown mud. But read the specific lies Travis claimed. Two out of three of his proposed lies flow directly from his burying himself in farthest right ********* he can find.

 

[TurkeysGhost]

I think they should have primaries in all fifty states on the same day, rather than picking just a few. Especially when those few are all Yankee or Midwestern states.

Since there is no ranked choice voting or other such scheme, same day primary voting would probably not be a good idea. Having a staggered schedule allows for a sorting to occur and helps eliminate vote splitting as more and more candidates drop out or otherwise fade. Usually there are multiple candidates running in the same ideological "lane", so having a drawn out voting schedule allows for a narrowing of the field.

I wouldn't want same day primary voting unless it came with ditching first-past-the-post voting. Someone who got like 20% of the electorate should not be crowned a winner.

 

[angrysoba]

The GOP media made a point to never attack Bernie calculating he wouldn't win the nomination but could be very effective at hurting Hillary. Hillary also didn't attack him because she calculated she needed his voters after she won the nomination.



Trust me the second the GOP attack machine needed to go after him there would have been nonstop attack ads promising gulags, mandatory atheism, economic collapse, etc.





How was Hillary the perfect centrist? Her platform was the most left of any Democratic nominee in history.

"Trust me" is not a convincing way for you to make a point.

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This is wrong, and worse than that it's a low blow. It's obviously true that the GOP would have thrown mud at Sanders had he been nominated. Travis' posting history is irrelevant. Bringing that up here is uncalled for.

Yeah, they would have thrown mud. But read the specific lies Travis claimed. Two out of three of his proposed lies flow directly from his burying himself in farthest right ********* he can find.

I agree with varwoche. I find a lot of things to shake my head at when reading some of Travis's posts, but in this case he was not saying anything that deserves that kind of response. You can disagree with his summary of Hillary Clinton's "left"-wing qualifications. (I would say that LBJ's presidency and Obama would at least be as left-wing as her), but be reasonable.

 

[TragicMonkey]

New Hampshire and Iowa literally have it written into their state Constitutions that they will have the first primaries (the obvious paradox is resolved by New Hampshire having a Primary and Iowa technically having a caucus and so far no other state has put such a clause in their Constitutions so the waveform hasn't collapsed yet)

I missed the memo where it said those two states can dictate to all the other states. The rest can do as they please, if those two wish to scramble to do theirs earlier they can certainly try, but I can't see how they could stop the other states from holding their own on whatever dates they like.

 

[Belz...]

I agree with varwoche. I find a lot of things to shake my head at when reading some of Travis's posts, but in this case he was not saying anything that deserves that kind of response. You can disagree with his summary of Hillary Clinton's "left"-wing qualifications. (I would say that LBJ's presidency and Obama would at least be as left-wing as her), but be reasonable.

Thirded.

 

[Jungle Jim]

I missed the memo where it said those two states can dictate to all the other states. The rest can do as they please, if those two wish to scramble to do theirs earlier they can certainly try, but I can't see how they could stop the other states from holding their own on whatever dates they like.

They can't. From Wiki: "State law requires that its primary must be the first in the nation (it had been the first by tradition since 1920). As a result, the state has moved its primary earlier in the year to remain the first." My question is how early could they move the date?

 

[TragicMonkey]

They can't. From Wiki: "State law requires that its primary must be the first in the nation (it had been the first by tradition since 1920). As a result, the state has moved its primary earlier in the year to remain the first." My question is how early could they move the date?

It's a wonderful opportunity to troll those two states. Alaska: hey, we're holding a primary on March 10. Then they move theirs to March 9. Then South Carolina says they're holding on March 8...

 

[The Atheist]

... but I imagine a trip down memory lane will not go well for Biden when the discussion starts.

Ya think?

https://www.dailydot.com/layer8/joe-biden-women-gifs/

 

[The_Animus]

I don't get Biden's appeal and really wish he wouldn't run.

Unfortunately I'm sure he will

 

[acbytesla]

I don't get Biden's appeal and really wish he wouldn't run.

Unfortunately I'm sure he will

I like Joe a lot. But I hated his support of the banking bill which made it harder for people to declare personal bankruptcy. It seemed as if he was working for the Credit Card industry. I think he's too old now.

 

[Craig4]

Ya think?

[qimg]http://charman.co.nz/uncle joe.gif[/qimg]


https://www.dailydot.com/layer8/joe-biden-women-gifs/

But running against Trump, he really doesn't even have a creepiness factor.

 

[The Atheist]

But running against Trump, he really doesn't even have a creepiness factor.

Say what you like about Trump and I'll probably agree with you, but his "victims" were at least adult women.

Biden, not so much.

 

[Venom]

Say what you like about Trump and I'll probably agree with you, but his "victims" were at least adult women.

Biden, not so much.

Trump probably has done more damage to adult women than Biden did that preteen-looking girl, so I dunno why you keep jabbing at Biden for these "creepy" moments.

 

[theprestige]

Trump probably has done more damage to adult women than Biden did that preteen-looking girl, so I dunno why you keep jabbing at Biden for these "creepy" moments.

How much damage has Biden done to preteen girls in total, though?

Nice how you compare your entire imagined Trump body of work to a single Biden video clip..

You really should try a lot harder to conceal your confirmation bias.

Or maybe not. I predict most everyone in this thread will take your side, for some totally mysterious and inscrutable and not at all misogynistic reason.

 

[Brainster]

I missed the memo where it said those two states can dictate to all the other states. The rest can do as they please, if those two wish to scramble to do theirs earlier they can certainly try, but I can't see how they could stop the other states from holding their own on whatever dates they like.

The parties have stepped in when states have tried to do this. In 2008 Florida held its primary in late January, despite a DNC rule that said only Iowa, New Hampshire, Nevada and South Carolina could have a primary or caucus before February. As a result, the DNC initially refused to seat the delegates, and eventually a compromise was reached where the delegates were allowed only 1/2 of a vote apiece.

 

[TragicMonkey]

The parties have stepped in when states have tried to do this. In 2008 Florida held its primary in late January, despite a DNC rule that said only Iowa, New Hampshire, Nevada and South Carolina could have a primary or caucus before February. As a result, the DNC initially refused to seat the delegates, and eventually a compromise was reached where the delegates were allowed only 1/2 of a vote apiece.

That at least makes sense, the parties can make their own rules for their own primaries. But a state can't dictate to other states.