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Skeptic Ginger said:
Of course. Some won't vote for a black or Hispanic either. Or a homosexual. Or an atheist.

So only white males under age 70 should get the nom? :rolleyes:

If the person is dynamic and rises to the top of this pack, that is who we should vote for. There is no more reason to worry about people who won't vote for a woman than there is to worry about people that won't vote for a black.

Given women are mobilized, a female candidate may very well have an advantage not a disadvantage this go round.
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Black AND Female seems unlikely for 2020. Atheist or gay seems impossible.
 
Well, we've already had a black president and a woman president. A gay president could be next, but Mayor Pete is probably a little too on the nose. Maybe Beto?

Or I guess Harris could go for the Hispanic president tag.
 
TragicMonkey said:
Who was the woman president? Did I miss one? I haven't been paying attention so hot the last hundred years.
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I'm glad you asked! Normally I don't like to explain a joke, but for this one I'm always happy to make an exception.

Bill Clinton was our first black president. Doubt me? Just Google it.

That makes Obama our first woman president. On account of the mom jeans. And Hillary would have been our first gay president, for no particular reason. Donald Trump, of course, is our first human president.

There's a withering indictment of American identity politics buried somewhere in all of this, but I can't be bothered to dig it up. Maybe you'll have better luck.
 
theprestige said:
I'm glad you asked! Normally I don't like to explain a joke, but for this one I'm always happy to make an exception.

Bill Clinton was our first black president. Doubt me? Just Google it.

That makes Obama our first woman president. On account of the mom jeans. And Hillary would have been our first gay president, for no particular reason. Donald Trump, of course, is our first human president.

There's a withering indictment of American identity politics buried somewhere in all of this, but I can't be bothered to dig it up. Maybe you'll have better luck.
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I think it withered on the vine.
 
theprestige said:
I'm glad you asked! Normally I don't like to explain a joke, but for this one I'm always happy to make an exception.

Bill Clinton was our first black president. Doubt me? Just Google it.

That makes Obama our first woman president. On account of the mom jeans. And Hillary would have been our first gay president, for no particular reason. Donald Trump, of course, is our first human president.

There's a withering indictment of American identity politics buried somewhere in all of this, but I can't be bothered to dig it up. Maybe you'll have better luck.
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I think this is more of a "withering indictment" against you.
 
theprestige said:
You didn't Google the Bill Clinton black president thing, did you? Just had to get all personal, instead.

Indictment? On what charges?
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The charge of telling, not just once, an unfunny joke that zero persons are familiar with, and then having to explain it and top it off by claiming TBD style "high ground" when it's obviously fallen completely flat.

That's like the spring season in Tom Sawyer country if you get my drift, wink wink, nudge nudge. Covfefe.
 
Foolmewunz said:
The charge of telling, not just once, an unfunny joke that zero persons are familiar with, and then having to explain it and top it off by claiming TBD style "high ground" when it's obviously fallen completely flat.

That's like the spring season in Tom Sawyer country if you get my drift, wink wink, nudge nudge. Covfefe.
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I suspect the "joke" was offered as a clumsy excuse to avoid admitting he briefly forgot that Hillary Clinton hadn't been president. He spends so much time defending Trump that he's come to absorb Trump's own errors. And like Trump would rather look juvenile and spiteful than own up to making a mistake.
 
Steyer makes it official:

He has endorsed a progressive policy platform in line with Sanders’s and Warren’s agendas. As Sanders has unveiled an “economic bill of rights,” calling for a living wage, quality health care, complete education, affordable housing, clean environment, and secure retirement, Steyer has his own “5 rights” campaign. It includes the rights to an equal vote, clean air and water, education, living wage, and health care.
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That "equal vote" thing will probably send thrills up the legs of the 25 or so people for whom the Electoral College is the #1 issue.

Steyer may seem like a joke candidate and he is, but he's got oodles of money and isn't afraid to spend it. He can easily buy himself the polling he needs to get on the debate stage. The odd thing is the timing. The article notes that one reason he decided not to get in was that he was impressed with Warren's campaign messaging. So why jump in just as Warren seems to be gathering momentum?
 
TragicMonkey said:
I suspect the "joke" was offered as a clumsy excuse to avoid admitting he briefly forgot that Hillary Clinton hadn't been president. He spends so much time defending Trump that he's come to absorb Trump's own errors. And like Trump would rather look juvenile and spiteful than own up to making a mistake.
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Excuse me.

Where did I briefly forget that Hillary Clinton will never be president?
 
theprestige said:
Excuse me.

Where did I briefly forget that Hillary Clinton will never be president?
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You referred to there having already been a woman president. Then when called upon it you said it was (an extremely lame) joke. I charitably inclined to the hypothesis that you simply forgot Hillary Clinton hadn't been president (a mistake Trump himself made at least once). If you wish to insist that no, it wasn't a simple mistake in the heat of the moment, you really were setting up such a crashingly unfunny joke then I fear you will lose quite a lot of respect. If my theory is correct it means you choose pride over humor. If my theory is incorrect then you're simply not very funny. Neither way covers you in glory.
 
TragicMonkey said:
You referred to there having already been a woman president. Then when called upon it you said it was (an extremely lame) joke. I charitably inclined to the hypothesis that you simply forgot Hillary Clinton hadn't been president (a mistake Trump himself made at least once). If you wish to insist that no, it wasn't a simple mistake in the heat of the moment, you really were setting up such a crashingly unfunny joke then I fear you will lose quite a lot of respect. If my theory is correct it means you choose pride over humor. If my theory is incorrect then you're simply not very funny. Neither way covers you in glory.
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I've been telling this joke, such as it is, since before the 2016 election. You must not have had much respect for me to begin with, if you thought I might be referring to President Hillary Clinton. So nothing of value is lost to me, either way.

Besides, the structure of the joke depends on the claim that Bill Clinton was our first black president. He wasn't, and that informs all the other examples: Obama was our first woman president (he wasn't). Etc. It's this play on the contradiction of reality that makes it funny. Or not, according to taste.

The other part of the joke depends on the premise that each identity-politics label is a single-use item. Once Bill Clinton got the "first black president" label, Obama had to find another one. Presumably we'll have to wait until the entire roster of political identities has been used, before we can circle back to having another "black" president. But even I don't plan on running the joke that long!
 
theprestige said:
I've been telling this joke, such as it is, since before the 2016 election. You must not have had much respect for me to begin with, if you thought I might be referring to President Hillary Clinton. So nothing of value is lost to me, either way.

Besides, the structure of the joke depends on the claim that Bill Clinton was our first black president. He wasn't, and that informs all the other examples: Obama was our first woman president (he wasn't). Etc. It's this play on the contradiction of reality that makes it funny. Or not, according to taste.

The other part of the joke depends on the premise that each identity-politics label is a single-use item. Once Bill Clinton got the "first black president" label, Obama had to find another one. Presumably we'll have to wait until the entire roster of political identities has been used, before we can circle back to having another "black" president. But even I don't plan on running the joke that long!
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As Carrot Top explained to Lenny Bruce, "Now here's how to be funny!"
 
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