Cont: 2020 Democratic Candidates Tracker Part IV

[xjx388]

This is a continuation from Part III The split point is, as always, arbitrary and participants are free to quote from the previous thread(s).

Posted By: Darat

Where is that written? If the Senate neglects to even consider a nominee, it doesn't make much sense to say they are following constitutional procedure.

What Constitutional procedure? The C only says that the Senate gives advice and consent; the details of that are completely in the hands of the Senate. The Senate has adopted rules for these nominations.

Harry Reid exercised the "nuclear option," for nominations except Supreme Court justices; McConnell did it for Supreme Court justices. Let's not pretend that Harry Reid's actions were noble and altruistic and McConnell's were dastardly and selfish. The Senate makes the rules and the leader of the Senate can use the rules to accomplish their goals. Fair game.

 

[Segnosaur]

What Constitutional procedure? The C only says that the Senate gives advice and consent; the details of that are completely in the hands of the Senate. The Senate has adopted rules for these nominations.

Harry Reid exercised the "nuclear option," for nominations except Supreme Court justices; McConnell did it for Supreme Court justices. Let's not pretend that Harry Reid's actions were noble and altruistic and McConnell's were dastardly and selfish.

The way I see it it went like this:

Under Obama
Republicans: We are going to oppose everything Obama does
Democrats: Here is a perfectly competent lower court judges
Republicans: We are going to fillibuster, just because we're selfish jerks
Democrats: Guess we need the nuclear option

Under Trump
Republicans: Here is a judge that is totally unsuitable for the supreme court
Democrats: We don't think you should place an unsuitable judge on the supreme court
Republicans: We're going with the nuclear option because we really want that unsuitable judge on the bench.

The Senate makes the rules and the leader of the Senate can use the rules to accomplish their goals. Fair game.

Its possible for something to be 'within the rules' and still be considered unethical/selfish/harmful to the country as a whole.

 

[applecorped]

Pocahontas has left the building

 

[Segnosaur]

Pocahontas has left the building

You do realize that "Pocahontas" is a racial slur that is considered insulting to large numbers of people of native American heritage. Its not just an attack on Warren.

It would be the equivalent of using the N-word to describe Obama leaving the presidency.

 

[Ziggurat]

Pocahontas has left the building

There were some smoke signals earlier this morning that she was going to drop out.

 

[Belz...]

You do realize that "Pocahontas" is a racial slur that is considered insulting to large numbers of people of native American heritage. Its not just an attack on Warren.

It would be the equivalent of using the N-word to describe Obama leaving the presidency.

You forget, part of the thrill of being a Trump supporter is that you get to be a jerk, too.

 

[JoeMorgue]

Classy guys. I guess dancing around doing war cries wouldn't work as well over the internet.

 

[Trebuchet]

You do realize that "Pocahontas" is a racial slur that is considered insulting to large numbers of people of native American heritage. Its not just an attack on Warren.

It would be the equivalent of using the N-word to describe Obama leaving the presidency.

I was in the process of replying to a post about this just when the thread got split. Someone said she was finished as soon as she took the DNA test. The real problem was that she didn't take it much earlier, as soon as the story came up.

 

[Childlike Empress]

The one delegate Tulsi Gabbard won in American Samoa should have won her a ticket to the next "debates" - if rules meant rules for the DNC machine: DNC Scrambles To Change Debate Threshold After Gabbard Qualifies

[...] Rank-and-file supporters of the Hawaii congresswoman enjoyed a brief celebration on social media, before having their hopes dashed minutes later by an announcement from the DNC’s Communications Director Xochitl Hinojosa that “the threshold will go up”.

“We have two more debates– of course the threshold will go up,” tweeted Hinojosa literally minutes after Gabbard was awarded the delegate. “By the time we have the March debate, almost 2,000 delegates will be allocated. The threshold will reflect where we are in the race, as it always has.”

“DNC wastes no time in announcing they will rig the next debates to exclude Tulsi,” Journalist Michael Tracey tweeted in response.

This outcome surprised nobody, least of all Gabbard supporters. The blackout on the Tulsi 2020 campaign has reached such extreme heights this year that you now routinely see pundits saying things like there are no more people of color in the race, or that Elizabeth Warren is the only woman remaining in the primary. They’re not just ignoring her, they’re actually erasing her. They’re weaving a whole alternative reality out of narrative in which she is literally, officially, no longer in the race. [...]

All this means is that the machine is exposing its mechanics to the view of the mainstream public. Both the Gabbard campaign and the Sanders campaign have been useful primarily in this way; not because the establishment would ever let them actually become president, but because they force the unelected manipulators who really run things in the most powerful government on earth to show the public their box of dirty tricks.

And yes, the site is down at the moment, likely under attack by "Russian bots". I'm quoting from my RSS feed. Just try again later.

 

[TurkeysGhost]

I was in the process of replying to a post about this just when the thread got split. Someone said she was finished as soon as she took the DNA test. The real problem was that she didn't take it much earlier, as soon as the story came up.

I think a lot of liberal types were in denial about the whole issue. They tried to hand-wave away the problem as the usual right-wing nonsense, but there was some actual meat to the controversy.

I like Warren as a Senator, but this whole claiming to be Native American in a professional context thing is a black mark on her record. It plays exactly into the worst tropes of affirmative action policies.

Curious to see who she endorses, or if she abstains from endorsing at all.

 

[Childlike Empress]

You do realize that "Pocahontas" is a racial slur that is considered insulting to large numbers of people of native American heritage. Its not just an attack on Warren.

You forgot the question marks. The answer is that nobody "realizes" the nonsense you are trying to sell here.

 

[Belz...]

The one delegate Tulsi Gabbard won in American Samoa should have won her a ticket to the next "debates" - if rules meant rules for the DNC machine: DNC Scrambles To Change Debate Threshold After Gabbard Qualifies




And yes, the site is down at the moment, likely under attack by "Russian bots". I'm quoting from my RSS feed. Just try again later.

Considering the source, you'll forgive us if we don't assign any weight to this.

You forgot the question marks. The answer is that nobody "realizes" the nonsense you are trying to sell here.

As usual, you attempt to project your own ignorance onto others has failed. I understood exactly what Segnosaur meant.

 

[TurkeysGhost]

The one delegate Tulsi Gabbard won in American Samoa should have won her a ticket to the next "debates" - if rules meant rules for the DNC machine: DNC Scrambles To Change Debate Threshold After Gabbard Qualifies




And yes, the site is down at the moment, likely under attack by "Russian bots". I'm quoting from my RSS feed. Just try again later.

Is anyone but Tulsi die-hards going to care? It's a two candidate race. Any time spent on Tulsi is wasted.

People who are still undecided are choosing between Bernie or Biden. Nobody else should be on the stage.

 

[Firestone]

With Warren gone, at least the probability of a contested convention becomes quite low.

 

[TurkeysGhost]

With Warren gone, at least the probability of a contested convention becomes quite low.

Somebody ought to be able to clear the bar. If not, there at least will be a stronger argument that the plurality winner should take the nomination.

 

[Ziggurat]

You do realize that "Pocahontas" is a racial slur that is considered insulting to large numbers of people of native American heritage. Its not just an attack on Warren.

It would be the equivalent of using the N-word to describe Obama leaving the presidency.

I can't remember who said it regarding Chris Cuomo claiming "Fredo" was an insult equivalent to the n-word, but when you're comparing the badness of two words and you won't even say one of those words, that's the worse word.

So no, "Pocahontas" isn't the equivalent of the n-word, and your own post proves it.

 

[sir drinks-a-lot]

You do realize that "Pocahontas" is a racial slur that is considered insulting to large numbers of people of native American heritage.

....and you know this how?

 

[Firestone]

Somebody ought to be able to clear the bar. If not, there at least will be a stronger argument that the plurality winner should take the nomination.

Yep.

But I fear it will be like 2008 and 2016, with the contest dragging on and on and on, even after it becomes clear that one of the two doesn't have any chance of getting a majority of pledged delegates.

 

[theprestige]

You do realize that "Pocahontas" is a racial slur that is considered insulting to large numbers of people of native American heritage. Its not just an attack on Warren.

It would be the equivalent of using the N-word to describe Obama leaving the presidency.

OLOL

It would be the equivalent of using "Kunta Kinte" to describe Bill Clinton leaving the presidency.

 

[Childlike Empress]

Is anyone but Tulsi die-hards going to care? It's a two candidate race. Any time spent on Tulsi is wasted.

People who are still undecided are choosing between Bernie or Biden. Nobody else should be on the stage.

Read the last paragraph of my quote again. The mechanisms now on public display alone make it worthwhile. Don't let my realism distract you from keeping up the good fight.