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2018 mid-term election

smartcooky said:
THIS

Losing the House is the really important defeat for Trump. He now no longer has it as his personal lap dog. The House writes all Federal funding and appropriations bills, and House committees will be able to demand (and will get) a number of documents that the GOP do not want anyone else to see, including Kavanagh's entire paper trail which will almost certainly contain proof of all the lies he told under oath, and Trump's Tax Returns Perhaps most importantly, if Robert Mueller follows the lead of Leon Jaworski and delivers his report to Congress, it wont get buried by a Dem controlled House Judicial Committee the way it would certainly have been under a GOP controlled one.
There's a storm a comin', and I would not want to be in Trump's shoes when it arrives.
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This is my view too. Muller's investigation is safe, and evidence of criminality will come to light and could remain in the spotlight.
 
dudalb said:
I have some hope that some Republicans who really despise Trump might realizes he it going to wreck both the GOP and classic conservatism in general.
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Does such a thing actually exist? (i.e. a republican who despises Trump)

Yes, we have a few republican congress critters, like Flake, who will criticize Trump. But at the end of the day they all tend to line up and vote to confirm whomever Trump nominates, and take no actual effort to actually curtail his excesses. Even Senator Collins (who for a brief moment seemed moderate when she voted against the republican health care plan) has illustrated (through the Kavanaugh confirmation) that she is just like all the other Trump boot lickers.

I think any republican politician who does speak out against Trump isn't doing so because they actually despise Trump, but because they do realize he may harm republican election chances in the future. While they love them some Trump they need to pretend they don't like him just to curtail disaster in later elections.

The only republicans that seem to be taking a principled stand are far outside the corridors of power.
 
Trump says it was a nearly complete victory for the republicans that he endorsed, they did exceptionally well.
Those that didn't do well didn't follow him closely enough, it's their own fault they lost, he doesn't know whether to be happy or sad about it.
 
jimbob said:
From that link



Maybe S&A thinks Bachmann and "friends" are liberals and this is their tears?


Hey, it makes as much sense as a lot of what I've seen claimed by the wingnuts.
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I didn't know whether to laugh or to cry during that video. I expected one of them to start speaking in tongues any second or go into a rapturous trance while dancing with a snake.

 
Cain said:
I love gerrymandering.
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Yup, it was suggested on 538 that the Dems needed a 7% swing to overcome enough of the Jerrymandering to just break even. That's a heck of a penalty to start out with. The sooner the US moves to Proportional Representation for the House and State Governments the better it will be for its politics.
 
Federal Court just threw out Maryland's elecotrial map because of gerrymandering.

The interesting thing is that the Democrats were the guilty party....

Just proves my point that you can't trust wither party with this power. They will both abuse it.
 
Good to see that jackass Sinema go down to defeat. Hope I never have to see her phizz again.

I think the lesson for tonight is that the Democrats' overreaching cost them. Overreaching on Kavanaugh cost them their chance at the Senate, and overreaching on the Democratic socialist agenda cost them in Florida. Overreaching on Beto cost them millions of dollars.
 
Captain_Swoop said:
Trump says it was a nearly complete victory for the republicans that he endorsed, they did exceptionally well.
Those that didn't do well didn't follow him closely enough, it's their own fault they lost, he doesn't know whether to be happy or sad about it.
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Of course he doesn't. That would require some coherent understanding of what is going on.
 
Segnosaur said:
You know, I think out of all the results from the elections (all the senate and house races, all the referendums, all the state legislature races), I think this might be the most important result.

Florida is perhaps the only swing state with a significant population. Its not easy to win the presidency without winning Florida's electoral college votes. (Not to mention the value of the congressional seats). In 2 of the last 3 elections that the republicans won, they won Florida by ~100,000 votes (or less). Now there is going to be a potential 1.5 million voters added to the electorate.
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I don't think it's hyperbole to say this one referendum could well turn Florida blue which could turn America Blue.

Florida being "Safely" blue or red would make the opposing party's path to the Presidency really, really hard. The President not carrying Florida doesn't happen that often.

Not all of them will vote (in fact I suspect they will vote at an even lower rate than the general population). And I know that not all of them will vote the same way. But given the fact that minorities and poor people make up a larger portion of the prison population (which also happens to be much of the Democrat's base), I expect that most of those ex-felon voters will lean Democrat. Under those rules, those narrow republican victories will shift to Democrat victories in Florida, and with all the electoral college votes at play, it could give the white house to the Democrats.
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That's why if I'm the Florida Democratic Leadership I'm hitting the streets like... now to start a voter registration push for ex-felons.
 
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Brainster said:
Good to see that jackass Sinema go down to defeat. Hope I never have to see her phizz again.

I think the lesson for tonight is that the Democrats' overreaching cost them. Overreaching on Kavanaugh cost them their chance at the Senate,
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Agreed.

and overreaching on the Democratic socialist agenda cost them in Florida. Overreaching on Beto cost them millions of dollars.
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I'd say money well spent. He did better than any other Texas democrat in a statewide election in a very long time. Because of him Allred beat a pretty long time Republican incumbent.

Wendy wasn't really close. Beto got very close. The GOP needs to see that the state is moving away from them, even if it is slower than I would like.
 
Captain_Swoop said:
Trump says it was a nearly complete victory for the republicans that he endorsed, they did exceptionally well.
Those that didn't do well didn't follow him closely enough, it's their own fault they lost, he doesn't know whether to be happy or sad about it.
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The majority of people he endorsed lost. He's lying. Of course.
 
Brainster said:
...I think the lesson for tonight is that the Democrats' overreaching cost them. Overreaching on Kavanaugh cost them their chance at the Senate, and overreaching on the Democratic socialist agenda cost them in Florida. Overreaching on Beto cost them millions of dollars.
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Perhaps a little overly strident? The Senate race was being touted as an uphill battle even before Kavanaugh.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/9/3/17800588/2018-midterm-elections-senate

Not sure what you mean by overreaching on the Democratic socialist agenda for Florida.

Ted Cruz is rather high profile don't you think? That too was an uphill battle. Did you see Beto's concession speech? Pure class.
 
Brainster said:
Good to see that jackass Sinema go down to defeat. Hope I never have to see her phizz again.

I think the lesson for tonight is that the Democrats' overreaching cost them. Overreaching on Kavanaugh cost them their chance at the Senate...
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Uhhh... no it didn't.

Its been discussed on this forum before... the Democrats did not have a good shot at taking the senate, based on the number of seats up for grabs and the areas they were in. This was the case long before Drunky McRapeface became a supreme court nominee.

and overreaching on the Democratic socialist agenda cost them in Florida.
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Actually what may have cost florida for the democrats is voter purges.

https://www.brennancenter.org/blog/florida-georgia-north-carolina-still-purging-voters-high-rates
Overreaching on Beto cost them millions of dollars.
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Uhhh... so?

While he did eventually lose (and a lot of money was spent doing so), the election was relatively close (within 3%), and there were polls during the election that showed Beto leading Curz. It shouldn't be considered a mistake to spend money on a close election race.

Also, the fact that Beto came close to knocking off Cruz meant that the republicans themselves had to spend money to counteract Beto. (Republican spending more than doubled from the 2012 election.) That's money the republicans didn't have to spend on other candidates.
 
JoeMorgue said:
I don't think it's hyperbole to say this one referendum could well turn Florida blue which could turn America Blue.

Florida being "Safely" blue or red would make the opposing party's path to the Presidency really, really hard. The President not carrying Florida doesn't happen that often.



That's why if I'm the Florida Democratic Leadership I'm hitting the streets like... now to start a voter registration push for ex-felons.
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This sure sounds like a lot of the familiar liberal pipe dreams: "If only <some group> started showing up to the polls in high numbers, the state would turn blue". We've been burned by these narratives so many times before.

Is there any reason to believe that felons are going to be turning up the the polls in large numbers? I imagine the that average felon falls into several of the demographic groups that is known for poor turnout: minority, poor, urban, younger, and uneducated. Maybe the inability to vote previously will make them take the new right more seriously than their apathetic non-felon citizens, but I doubt it.
 
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Brainster said:
Good to see that jackass Sinema go down to defeat. Hope I never have to see her phizz again.

I think the lesson for tonight is that the Democrats' overreaching cost them. Overreaching on Kavanaugh cost them their chance at the Senate, and overreaching on the Democratic socialist agenda cost them in Florida. Overreaching on Beto cost them millions of dollars.
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I wouldn't be so sure about the Kavanaugh thing. Capturing the Senate was a long shot to begin with. I'm surprised the R's didn't pick up more seats than they did. Some people got carried away by hopeful optimism, but taking the Senate really wasn't on the table this time.

Florida and Texas were closely run races and I wouldn't consider either loss a firm rebuke.

With taking the house and several governorships, especially non-coastal seats, I'd say this was a pretty good election for the D's.
 
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Mumbles said:
The majority of people he endorsed lost. He's lying. Of course.
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Last night on PBS Nancy Woodruff spoke to one WH correspondent who reported on the KAC News briefing saying that KAC talked at length about how happy Trump was about the election results. I saw it as Trump sending in KAC to do damage control.
 
SuburbanTurkey said:
Re: Florida allowing felons to vote...

This sure sounds like a lot of the familiar liberal pipe dreams: "If only <some group> started showing up to the polls in high numbers, the state would turn blue". We've been burned by these narratives so many times before.
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Yes, its possible to be hopelessly optimistic. But in this case, you are not dealing with people who were simply apathetic... you are dealing with potential voters who actually had real barriers to voting. Barriers that are now gone.

Is there any reason to believe that felons are going to be turning up the the polls in large numbers? I imagine the that average felon falls into several of the demographic groups that is known for poor turnout: minority, poor, urban, younger, and uneducated.
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I agree... the percentage of voters who actually partake in the election will be small (probably with a participation rate much lower than that of the general population.)

What makes those people valuable to the Democrats is that they are in the demographic pool that will most likely support them.

Again, some of the republican victories in Florida have been extremely tight (~100k votes or less). Even if only 10% of the felons decide to actually vote (which is only a fraction of what the general population does), that would be more than enough to overcome a 100k voting deficit.
 
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