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2018 mid-term election

Do what now? The republican's are redrawing STATE boundaries? how do they do that?

Smartcooky isn't an USA citizen so he probably doesn't know that Senate seats are elected by majority only in their respective states.

That said, the GOP suppressed votes in other ways to win those Senate elections. For example, they purged Native American voters from the North Dakota race, which won them that Senate seat.
 
Do what now? The republican's are redrawing STATE boundaries? how do they do that?

Yeah, that was the wrong word (I claim fatigue, and a little too much Pinot Gris).

Gerrymandering is of course, rigging elections by boundary changes. What I was trying to say is vote rigging, for example, by voter suppression techniques such as

1. Having only a single polling place for a city of over 13,000 and placing it miles outside city limits, and an hour's walk from the nearest bus stop, in order to discourage poorer people from voting (Dodge City).

2. Exact match ID that results in ballot rejection if there is the slightest inconsistency, e.g. missed grammar such as a missing hyphen or dash, or a missing apostrophe in a name such as O'Connor or O'Donnel, or spelling a street name McDonald instead of MacDonald. (Georgia).

3. The rejection of ballots or the cancelling registration if the voter cannot provide a residential street address. This one was deliberately aimed at Native Americans living on reservations because reservations don't usually have street addresses (North Dakota).

4. The passing of laws to restrict early voting. This one is deliberately aimed at African Americans who are less likely to have flexible working hours and therefore struggle to take time off on a weekday to vote (North Carolina).

5. Passing a law requiring a photo ID to vote. By itself, this is fair enough, but not if you then almost immediately close down dozens of DMV offices in minority neighbourhoods making it harder for residents to obtain voter IDs (Alabama).

There are dozens more examples where incumbent GOP State politicians have taken measures aimed deliberately at Blacks, Hispanics and other minorities to make it difficult for them to register and vote.
 
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Trump tweets

"Received so many Congratulations from so many on our Big Victory last night, including from foreign nations (friends) that were waiting me out, and hoping, on Trade Deals. Now we can all get back to work and get things done!"
 
Even without doing anything nefarious, the seats that were open in the Senate just weren't ever likely to switch from R to D anyway. Any seat with a D incumbent obviously couldn't do that, and the ones with R incumbents were in solid R states that don't ever switch to D under any circumstances.

And Senate Democrats are more likely to be the kind of "Democrat" that's really a Republican, and that's the kind that didn't do so well compared to progressives.

That's why everybody knew all along that the Senate was unlikely to switch and didn't think it would switch, so there's nothing special about the fact that it didn't.
 
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Even when he loses, he claims he wins.

Does that surprise you? When he lied about the inauguration crowd size, that should've told you all you needed to know about his relationship with reality.

Yeah, that was the wrong word (I claim fatigue, and a little too much Pinot Gris).

Gerrymandering is of course, rigging elections by boundary changes. What I was trying to say is vote rigging, for example, by voter suppression techniques such as

1. Having only a single polling place for a city of over 13,000 and placing it miles outside city limits, and an hour's walk from the nearest bus stop, in order to discourage poorer people from voting (Dodge City).

2. Exact match ID that results in ballot rejection if there is the slightest inconsistency, e.g. missed grammar such as a missing hyphen or dash, or a missing apostrophe in a name such as O'Connor or O'Donnel, or spelling a street name McDonald instead of MacDonald. (Georgia).

3. The rejection of ballots or the cancelling registration if the voter cannot provide a residential street address. This one was deliberately aimed at Native Americans living on reservations because reservations don't usually have street addresses (North Dakota).

4. The passing of laws to restrict early voting. This one is deliberately aimed at African Americans who are less likely to have flexible working hours and therefore struggle to take time off on a weekday to vote (North Carolina).

5. Passing a law requiring a photo ID to vote. By itself, this is fair enough, but not if you then almost immediately close down dozens of DMV offices in minority neighbourhoods making it harder for residents to obtain voter IDs (Alabama).

There are dozens more examples where incumbent GOP State politicians have taken measures aimed deliberately at Blacks, Hispanics and other minorities to make it difficult for them to register and vote.

Democratic my ass.
 
I love the way he keeps score. If Donald was writing the deal at Appomattox, Grant would've surrendered his sword.

Hey, we didn't lose everything! Big Victory. They picked up a couple of Senate seats but won't get anything through the House, including spending bills for those forty-seven feet of barbed wire he loves so much. They lost the house, they dropped several governorships.

Ja, Adolph? It's me, Fritzie. Ja, we lost 1700 miles of advances in the east and Africa, oh and Greece and Italy and France, but hey, that was quite some holding action in the Ardennes, eh? Iron Crosses for everyone? Why, thank you, sir!
 
I love the way he keeps score. If Donald was writing the deal at Appomattox, Grant would've surrendered his sword.

Hey, we didn't lose everything! Big Victory. They picked up a couple of Senate seats but won't get anything through the House, including spending bills for those forty-seven feet of barbed wire he loves so much. They lost the house, they dropped several governorships.

Ja, Adolph? It's me, Fritzie. Ja, we lost 1700 miles of advances in the east and Africa, oh and Greece and Italy and France, but hey, that was quite some holding action in the Ardennes, eh? Iron Crosses for everyone? Why, thank you, sir!

Actually it's more like Hitler sending imaginary armies to deal the final blow to the Russians and win the war, from his bunker as the shelling inched closer and closer.
 
Trump tweets

"Received so many Congratulations from so many on our Big Victory last night, including from foreign nations (friends) that were waiting me out, and hoping, on Trade Deals. Now we can all get back to work and get things done!"

As multiple people on twitter already noted, he's gaslighting himself. Last night was pretty damn good for the dems, the end.

I expect Dolt 45 to get even more white supremacist and authoritarian, since that's what the folks that attend his hate rallies love.
 
In less significant, but still very satisfying news:

Kim Davis, the Kentucky Clerk that refused to marry two gay men and incurred over 200k of needless legal fees for the county, has lost her re-election bid.
 
Trump Tweets

"There’s only been 5 times in the last 105 years that an incumbent President has won seats in the Senate in the off year election. Mr. Trump has magic about him. This guy has magic coming out of his ears. He is an astonishing vote getter & campaigner. The Republicans are.........

....unbelievably lucky to have him and I’m just awed at how well they’ve done. It’s all the Trump magic - Trump is the magic man. Incredible, he’s got the entire media against him, attacking him every day, and he pulls out these enormous wins.” Ben Stein, “The Capitalist Code”
Hannity? Carlson? Bueller?

Bueller?
 
The House was underperforming for Trump, and in business, when you have a chronically underperforming unit, you dump it, right? That's what Trump did last night, so the House was a Trump victory too!

ETA: Okay, election's over, back to the Mueller investigation . . .
 
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Whew!

At least the Democrats took the House. I was hoping that they would have taken the Senate as well, but at least with Democrats in the House, the House will no longer be another Trump lap dog.
 
I'm a little annoyed that Florida had to be all Florida and A) be a nail biter until the last minute and B) go Red but.... cards on the table long term restoring voting rights for felons will do more good. That's about 9-10% of our voting age population no longer disenfranchised.
 
Colorado passed intiatives taking redistricting out of the hands of the legislature and giving to a independent commission..pretty much what Califorinia did.
This might be a trend. Redistricting is too important to leave to the politicians. And although the GOP has been the greater offenders,that is because they have controlled more legislatures. The Dems are just a capable of gerrymandering. I don't trust either party on this.

Independent commissions are just another kind of politician.

Just like referees are just another team of players.......

Independent commissions are just another kind of politician.

Sour grapes.

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Theprestige is not really wrong here. There seem to be some limits on some implementations of "independent" when it comes to redistricting commissions.

The example of California was cited in the post he responded to. It makes an excellent example of some of the potential problems.

This wiki article shows a selection of such examples. It is worth reviewing to see some of the contortions which Cali's 'independent' commission went to to preserve the seats of incumbents from both parties.

Perhaps that is 'independence' of a sort, but it certainly qualifies as political.

Short of using computer algorithms to create the most compact, contiguous districts possible without regard to the political loyalties of the residents there is always going to be a problem with gerrymandering, even with so-called "independent commissions".

NC has a couple remarkably distorted districts, but for the most part they aren't hugely visually offensive. They are, however, carefully designed. They manage to get ten of thirteen representatives to the U.S. House of Representatives elected from the GOP even though there are significantly more voters registered Democrat than Republican (39% to 30% as of 2017), and the state's popular vote is nearly evenly spit between parties.

Asked about that, one senior GOP leader here said, roughly (and quite publicly), 'Well, we couldn't manage eleven and two.'.
 
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NC has a couple remarkably distorted districts, but for the most part they aren't hugely visually offensive. They are, however, carefully designed. They manage to get ten of thirteen representatives to the U.S. House of Representatives elected from the GOP even though there are significantly more voters registered Democrat than Republican (39% to 30% as of 2017), and the state's popular vote is nearly evenly spit between parties.

Asked about that, one senior GOP leader here said, roughly (and quite publicly), 'Well, we couldn't manage eleven and two.'.

Well, for governors, President, Senate and such, it could just be determine by popular vote. For the House, though, how do you do that _and_ also ensure that people and localities are represented in congress?
 
Well, for governors, President, Senate and such, it could just be determine by popular vote. For the House, though, how do you do that _and_ also ensure that people and localities are represented in congress?

The Shortest-Split-Line Algorithm. Pure math. Can't be cheated, can't be broken, can't be exploited.

Sure with it uneven or loaded districts can still happen, but nobody can make them happen, they'll just happen randomly and naturally.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUS9uvYyn3A
 
Independent commissions can be truly independent as long as they have a sufficient, fixed budget and a clear, non-partisan mandate - such as maximizing the number of voters each election and reducing the Efficiency Gap.
 
...and the Eagle's Landing Georgia referendum went down in flames. Many lawsuits will not be filed now...
 
I can't view YT from here. Can you give me a summary of how it works?

Long story short you just start at random spot of the map, and draw a line that separates it into two places of equal population. And then you do it again and again until you reach as many segments as you need.

You ignore everything else. Density, demographics, geographical features, any civil or political lines (obviously not the ones defined by the district you are creating of course) so it can't be either intentionally or unintentionally misused.

ETA: Here's a good written breakdown.
https://www.vox.com/2014/5/8/5695350/this-is-what-america-would-look-like-without-gerrymandering
 

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