2018 mid-term election

Brainster said:
What I don't get is why you think it would be sensible for the GOP candidate to use a dog whistle against a black candidate. Do you think that he wanted to tell any blind racists who were thinking of voting for Gillum that he was African-American?
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Dave Chappelle as a blind KKK member (Caution: contains inflammatory language)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D7oXFmuUHLQ
 
Brainster said:
I could buy the dog whistle argument against Trump (provided you have some examples) because he was not running against a black man. There you could at least argue that he would pull some racist voters away from Hillary by subtly reminding people that she was married to the first black president (per Maya Angelou).

Yeah, I am sure that when DeSantis says how he wants to lead the Sunshine State into a prosperous future you folks will all be yelling, "He said shine! That's a dog whistle!"
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Yeah that's right. :rolleyes: sure. :rolleyes:

Perhaps we won't hear the dog whistles and this was just him being oblivious. I doubt that. But we will see.

I've mis-called it before and I have also been right on. Florida is a very diverse State, but it is also the Deep South. It could be a very interesting race. Or it will be a blow out.
 
kellyb said:
It's like they selectively don't remember the effectiveness of Trump's "Mexicans - they're rapists!" strategy.
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These tactics are not new. They hearken back to that time in Trump's mind when America was great, like when his company would tell prospective tenants and customers of color that there was no vacancy or space and then magically have vacancies and space to those of us with paler complexions.

Most of us probably thought the days of racism and dog whistles in politics were behind us. That America had grown beyond it's darker past. Trump and his followers have proven that it's either on a comeback or hopefully just a last gasp.
 
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kellyb said:
It's like they selectively don't remember the effectiveness of Trump's "Mexicans - they're rapists!" strategy.
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I 100% think he was out of line with that statement, and that he was appealing to the some of the nativists in the GOP. That said, Mexicans are not a race. At worst you can say of that statement that it is bigoted, not racist.
 
Brainster said:
I 100% think he was out of line with that statement, and that he was appealing to the some of the nativists in the GOP. That said, Mexicans are not a race. At worst you can say of that statement that it is bigoted, not racist.
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This my friends is what one calls rationalization.
 
I think a couple of people here are still n the denial stage of grieving over what Trumpism has done to the GOP.
 
Brainster said:
I can understand why people think it might have been racist, and if he had said Gillum is a monkey you'd have me agreeing 100%. What I don't get is why you think it would be sensible for the GOP candidate to use a dog whistle against a black candidate. Do you think that he wanted to tell any blind racists who were thinking of voting for Gillum that he was African-American?

Or is this all part and parcel of John McCain's insidious plan to create "a political environment that is inciting hate and hate speech?"

You guys are like the boy pre-adolescent male who cried wolf.
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The point of the obvious dog whistle was to get DiSantist to start talking about race. The one thing a black candidate in a mixed race political contest can't talk about is race. It turns off independent and swing voters. You have to talk about issues impacting the entire state. Gillum wants to paint DiSantis as a black/civil rights issue only politician. To do that he needs DiSantis to respond to his racist comments.

DiSantis needs to dismiss the attempt at race baiting for what it is and talk about wage stagnation, school crowding, flood insurance, red tides and infrastructure. This is stuff Floridians care about.
 
Brainster said:
I 100% think he was out of line with that statement, and that he was appealing to the some of the nativists in the GOP. That said, Mexicans are not a race. At worst you can say of that statement that it is bigoted, not racist.
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You're just arguing semantics now.

What's called the "dog whistle" works by appealing to people's bigotry. Those GOP "nativists" (as you refer to them) generally aren't real fond of "colored people" as in "black people", either.

When it went out of vogue to call black people the n-word to rile up the bigot base to get them to the polls, other phrases started being used, and it continued to morph from there.

See:
https://www.nytimes.com/2005/10/06/opinion/impossible-ridiculous-repugnant.html

Listen to the late Lee Atwater in a 1981 interview explaining the evolution of the G.O.P.'s Southern strategy:

"You start out in 1954 by saying, '******, ******, ******.' By 1968 you can't say '******' -- that hurts you. Backfires. So you say stuff like forced busing, states' rights and all that stuff. You're getting so abstract now [that] you're talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you're talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is [that] blacks get hurt worse than whites.
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Nowadays, sometimes it hurts and backfires (my local mayoral race) and sometimes it works (Trump.)
 
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Brainster said:
I can understand why people think it might have been racist, and if he had said Gillum is a monkey you'd have me agreeing 100%. What I don't get is why you think it would be sensible for the GOP candidate to use a dog whistle against a black candidate. Do you think that he wanted to tell any blind racists who were thinking of voting for Gillum that he was African-American?

Or is this all part and parcel of John McCain's insidious plan to create "a political environment that is inciting hate and hate speech?"

You guys are like the boy pre-adolescent male who cried wolf.
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It's not a question of gaining support from Trump's racist base, but rather not losing any support because they might think you're soft on keeping the uppity minorities in their place.
 
Fudbucker said:
It's not a question of gaining support from Trump's racist base, but rather not losing any support because they might think you're soft on keeping the uppity minorities in their place.
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I think it gets them fired up enough to get off their butts and go vote sometimes, too. That appears to be part of what happened with Trump getting elected.
 
kellyb said:
I think it gets them fired up enough to get off their butts and go vote sometimes, too. That appears to be part of what happened with Trump getting elected.
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I disagree. Trump didn't win because the Republican base got fired up. He won because the Democratic base was unenthusiastic, and the Independants did not turn out for either party.

In the current climate the bases for both parties will be highly motivated, and turning out Independant voters (or at least, keeping them from turning out for the other side) in close States like Florida is where the elections will be won or lost.
Playing to what might be described as "race fatigue" on the part of Independants might be an effective strategy for Republicans.
 
Distracted1 said:
I disagree. Trump didn't win because the Republican base got fired up. He won because the Democratic base was unenthusiastic,...
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You act like it's one or the other, when in terms of electoral outcomes, the two are relative to each other.
 
Distracted1 said:
Playing to what might be described as "race fatigue" on the part of Independants might be an effective strategy for Republicans.
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:rolleyes:

"Wow, I sure was planning on just sitting this election out, because all politicians are the same, but now that the democrats are crying racism again, I guess I want to go vote for a republican after all!"
 
Brainster said:
I 100% think he was out of line with that statement, and that he was appealing to the some of the nativists in the GOP. That said, Mexicans are not a race. At worst you can say of that statement that it is bigoted, not racist.
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Mexicans are mostly Native American; pure NA, or mestizo (mixed NA-European) or mixed black/NA and/or white. The lower down the socio-economic scale a person is, the more likely they are either 100% or predominantly NA. Illegal immigrants tend to be the poorest and, therefore, tend to be predominately NA. In the 1930 US census, "Mexican" was listed as a racial group. The US gov't later changed "Mexican" to "White" and then allowed Mexicans to choose whatever race they felt was appropriate for them. So, yes, racism is definitely a proper word to use as well as bigotry.
 
Distracted1 said:
I disagree. Trump didn't win because the Republican base got fired up. He won because the Democratic base was unenthusiastic, and the Independants did not turn out for either party.

In the current climate the bases for both parties will be highly motivated, and turning out Independant voters (or at least, keeping them from turning out for the other side) in close States like Florida is where the elections will be won or lost.
Playing to what might be described as "race fatigue" on the part of Independants might be an effective strategy for Republicans.
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I'm not sure any of this is true. I can't say definitely that it is false either. Have you gone over the demographics and all the polling? Say in Florida to be specific? Or are you just wildly speculating?
 
acbytesla said:
Nobody is ******* catering.
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Now, that's not true at all. We are doing a hell of a lot of it. Also, no need to get excited.

And it ain't hard and it's not being politically correct.
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It's never hard to shut up. The question is, should it be required?

I'm not a sensitive soul either. And I would hardly say I'm tiptoeing around either. Being polite and respectful to others is a good first step with anyone.
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Sure, but as usual in this sort of conversation, we're not talking about that.

Who assumes?
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It was a joke.

Anyway this is a bit off topic now.
 
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