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2016 Obama's America documentary

I just watched the film and posted a long summary on another board which I can cut and paste here

First the documentarian who made it talks about his past growing up in india and moving to America and mentions how his past is similar to Obama's; same birth year, etc. Then he describes things Obama did once he got into office which he describes as baffling; returning busts of Churchill and Reagan siding with Palestine in a Palestine-Israel talk, siding with Argentina over Britain on who gets the Falkland Islands thereby breaking an agreement to side with Britain and blocking drilling in America while making way for drilling in Brazil and I think Argentina.

The film goes into the political atmosphere, history and culture of Kenya, and the ideas of new Anti-colonialism which rich countries as having gotten their wealth by stealing from poor countries and which opposes capitalism. His brother, though wasn't anti-colonialist, and it's pointed out Obama hasn't helped him directly. It quotes interviews with Obama's extended family which say Obama's views ere just like his father's and the film stressed a lot how Obama idolized the person he imagined his absentee father to be. I remember very little from the movie actually detailing his father's views on colonialism. A friend who I saw it with said it quoted an article by his father but neither of us could remember what it was. I'm sure someone who's seen it will fill me in in reply to this thread.

The film claimed Obama was strongly influenced by Frank Marshal Davis, a radical communist, which they say Obama refers to as Frank 22 times in his book (Dreams from my father) and mentions other connections such as William Ayers, a terrorist who was Obama's professor and the film said was in contact with Obama up until Obama's presidential campaign, and Obama's pastor Jerimiah Wright which the film described as the religious branch of African anti-colonialism. The film described these and other men as "Obama's Founding Fathers".

The film cited a quote from one of Obama's books saying something like, I paraphrase, "A government can tax its citizens 100% if it provides to take care of them." The film concludes Obama is a communist.

The film cited Obama's withdrawal from Iraq and his inaction in preventing from Iran from going Nuclear, as well as the aforementioned anti-colonial influence to say that he will allow the middle east to run out of control and in four years become, as it called it, "The United States Of Islam". Overall, the film says Obama's agenda is to reduce America's influence in developing countries, especially military influence.

The film interviews a federal auditor (I think) who compares Obama's spending to the spending of presidents leading up to; former presidents spending something like 5 trillion annually, and Obama being in the running up 15 trillion (I'm fuzzy) The film than claims Obama is deliberately trying to bring down America by method of bankruptcy. The man they interviewed says that if this continues we'll reach a tipping point. I am not convinced Obama is deliberately trying to destroy America but deliberate or not, if those numbers are true that my be a legitimate concern about debt and fiscal irresponsibility

The film claimed that Obama got the presidency because being a charismatic, non-angry black man endeared people to him more than they would had it been a non-angry white. I feel there were other factors at work than his race, but okay, whatever.

In summary the film's central claim is that Obama is an anti-colonialist and anti-capitalist who views America as the 1% vs. the global 99% (an analogy used in the film) and is trying to continue the ideas of his father. Its evidence is quotes from his book Dreams From My Father, quotes from interviews with his extended family, and political affiliations of people in his personal life and mentioned in his books, all allegedly explaining his non-interventionalism, big spending, and other actions in office.


I thought it's evidence seemed a bit indirect; they never just outright asked someone who knew Obama if he really saw America as a colonial power to be opposed.
 
Hannity told me that it's the most important film to come out in the last twenty years, so it must be. So what if it's made by a guy who thinks the abuses in Abu Ghraib were the product of liberalized sexual mores in America, it's important, dammit.
 
Crocoshark said:
I just watched the film and posted a long summary on another board which I can cut and paste here

First the documentarian who made it talks about his past growing up in india and moving to America and mentions how his past is similar to Obama's; same birth year, etc. Then he describes things Obama did once he got into office which he describes as baffling; returning busts of Churchill and Reagan siding with Palestine in a Palestine-Israel talk, siding with Argentina over Britain on who gets the Falkland Islands thereby breaking an agreement to side with Britain and blocking drilling in America while making way for drilling in Brazil and I think Argentina.

The film goes into the political atmosphere, history and culture of Kenya, and the ideas of new Anti-colonialism which rich countries as having gotten their wealth by stealing from poor countries and which opposes capitalism. His brother, though wasn't anti-colonialist, and it's pointed out Obama hasn't helped him directly. It quotes interviews with Obama's extended family which say Obama's views ere just like his father's and the film stressed a lot how Obama idolized the person he imagined his absentee father to be. I remember very little from the movie actually detailing his father's views on colonialism. A friend who I saw it with said it quoted an article by his father but neither of us could remember what it was. I'm sure someone who's seen it will fill me in in reply to this thread.

The film claimed Obama was strongly influenced by Frank Marshal Davis, a radical communist, which they say Obama refers to as Frank 22 times in his book (Dreams from my father) and mentions other connections such as William Ayers, a terrorist who was Obama's professor and the film said was in contact with Obama up until Obama's presidential campaign, and Obama's pastor Jerimiah Wright which the film described as the religious branch of African anti-colonialism. The film described these and other men as "Obama's Founding Fathers".

The film cited a quote from one of Obama's books saying something like, I paraphrase, "A government can tax its citizens 100% if it provides to take care of them." The film concludes Obama is a communist.

The film cited Obama's withdrawal from Iraq and his inaction in preventing from Iran from going Nuclear, as well as the aforementioned anti-colonial influence to say that he will allow the middle east to run out of control and in four years become, as it called it, "The United States Of Islam". Overall, the film says Obama's agenda is to reduce America's influence in developing countries, especially military influence.

The film interviews a federal auditor (I think) who compares Obama's spending to the spending of presidents leading up to; former presidents spending something like 5 trillion annually, and Obama being in the running up 15 trillion (I'm fuzzy) The film than claims Obama is deliberately trying to bring down America by method of bankruptcy. The man they interviewed says that if this continues we'll reach a tipping point. I am not convinced Obama is deliberately trying to destroy America but deliberate or not, if those numbers are true that my be a legitimate concern about debt and fiscal irresponsibility

The film claimed that Obama got the presidency because being a charismatic, non-angry black man endeared people to him more than they would had it been a non-angry white. I feel there were other factors at work than his race, but okay, whatever.

In summary the film's central claim is that Obama is an anti-colonialist and anti-capitalist who views America as the 1% vs. the global 99% (an analogy used in the film) and is trying to continue the ideas of his father. Its evidence is quotes from his book Dreams From My Father, quotes from interviews with his extended family, and political affiliations of people in his personal life and mentioned in his books, all allegedly explaining his non-interventionalism, big spending, and other actions in office.


I thought it's evidence seemed a bit indirect; they never just outright asked someone who knew Obama if he really saw America as a colonial power to be opposed.
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That's pretty accurate although I'd take exception with your statement:

The film concludes Obama is a communist.

Anti-capitalist, yes, but of the neo-colonial type. Heavily influenced by communists during growing up, quite obvious, isn't it? But D'Souza didn't say Obama is a communist.
 
mhaze said:
That's pretty accurate although I'd take exception with your statement:

The film concludes Obama is a communist.

Anti-capitalist, yes, but of the neo-colonial type. Heavily influenced by communists during growing up, quite obvious, isn't it? But D'Souza didn't say Obama is a communist.
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You're right, I should have said "infer", which the film maker seemed to be intending to do with the "100% taxation" quote.
 
I can see how that would play well with conspiracy theorists and libertarians as neither considers facts and reality are necessary when formulating ideas.
 
Crocoshark said:
You're right, I should have said "infer", which the film maker seemed to be intending to do with the "100% taxation" quote.
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I recall that section of the movie. That's where Obama said that, i think, and therefore one could reasonably infer from Obama's own comments that complete communism was within acceptable bounds.

It more shows his status re totalitarian thinking, though, than communism.
 
Crocoshark said:
Could've been someone else mentioned in the same scene, maybe Said. Ask MHaze, he didn't correct me on it . . .
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No, I didn't understand the assertion made. Everyone's got a pretty good understanding of the relationship between Ayers and the Bamster. There was some minutes of coverage of Ayers in the movie, but nothing that would be a silly error.

But keep reading - this is a thread where people who have not seen the movie will seriously knit their brows and whisper in utter seriousness errors they found it it.

:)
 
Crocoshark said:
Could've been someone else mentioned in the same scene, maybe Said. Ask MHaze, he didn't correct me on it . . .
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Obama only ever took one course taught by Said (a modern fiction class), and Obama ended up disinterested in the class and Said's teaching style (even, according David Remnick's book, calling Said a "flake").

mhaze said:
Everyone's got a pretty good understanding of the relationship between Ayers and the Bamster.
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I doubt that very highly.

But keep reading - this is a thread where people who have not seen the movie will seriously knit their brows and whisper in utter seriousness errors they found it it.
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Yes, in the same fashion that the Mystery Science Theater 3000 crew seriously knitted their brows and whispered in utter seriousness errors they found.
 
mhaze said:
That's pretty accurate although I'd take exception with your statement:

The film concludes Obama is a communist.

Anti-capitalist, yes, but of the neo-colonial type. Heavily influenced by communists during growing up, quite obvious, isn't it? But D'Souza didn't say Obama is a communist.
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You have yet to present evidence for the highlighted bit.

Obama has been very pro-capitalism while President. Not that I expect you to have noticed. You are having so much fun vilifying fictional Obama.
 
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