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2012 Debates

Of course, if you do just want to count ships, the US Navy has 192 major combat vessels (aircraft carriers, cruisers, destroyers, frigates, submarines), which is 40 percent more than the second largest navy (China). In fact, the US Navy has almost as many major combat vessels as its 2 major rivals (Russia and China) combined.
You lefty libs just don't get it. Obama is "gutting" the military as we speak. Spending more than most others combined doesn't mean enough. How much is enough? More. Just more.

Fact Of The Day #8: U.S. Defense Spending Dwarfs Rest Of The World
 
Was Romney trying to look like Reagan last night? Might have closely resembled Nixon with his flop sweat but for the split screen smirking.
 
What's that purple band around the President's wrist?

I think it is a breast cancer awareness band...

I don't know if his is for the same cause, but in New York (at least), purple (including wrist bands) is used for domestic violence awareness.

I know he had a pink one for breast cancer but if there is a newer purple one that is the official color of the campaign against both domestic violence and bullying of gay or transgendered youth.

Relax, lefties. Obama won the debate. Obama has won the last two debates, according to a majority of the "stewpid Americans" polled.

What mystifies me is why you lefties even support Obama. He didn't pull precipitiously out of Iraq. He won't be out of Afghanistan until late 2014. He has ordered military incursions into sovereign countries. He bombed another dictator. He bombed a U.S. citizen. He ordered the premeditated murder of Osama bin Laden and the dumping of the body in the ocean. The list could go on.

Long story short, Obama has done pretty much what Bush would have done if Bush had a 3rd term.

So I don't understand all the pro-Obama fervor all of a sudden. I'm the one who should be (and is) happy to see Obama re-elected for a second term, and I'm an accursed "neocon". Not you lefties. You're all "progressives", remember?

You're all very confused, I think.

So apparently I'm no longer a Lefty since I never wanted us to just jump ship in Iraq or Afghanistan and I cheered the death of Bin Laden.

So what in the hell am I?
 
I'd like to ask more about this. It seems to me that there is a genuine difference between Romney and Obama in terms of policy, temperament, etc. There is also a vast difference between the two parties. So I can't conceive how someone could be undecided. Even the LIVs must have some sense of their vote.

So, Halfcentaur, I'd like to hear a little bit about the undecided you know because I don't know any. Are they purely apolitical? Apathetic? Hostile to government no matter what? And so on. Just give a sense of some of them. Thanks.

Most of them are high school drop outs who feel impotent in their lives and like to blame their circumstances on anyone but their own self, trapped in dead end jobs that barely get them a few dollars over minimum wage.

A lot of them are flakey people who have a propensity for intelligence but never developed it outside of their teen years, thinking they intuitively understand the world better than most people, while entertaining thoughts like "science doesn't know everything" and "why are atheists so arrogant about what they can't know for sure." They are mostly liberal, but have no grasp whatsoever of actual issues and seem to think everyone they hear talk about the nuance of the issues is just biased.

They falsely equivocate both sides as if they are the same thing to the point of being cartoonish. In fact, it's mostly a matter of false equivocation all owed to a number of different personal philosophies.

As I'm in OKlahoma, outside of these undecideds a great deal of the people I know are just conservatives because their parents are. Which is odd, Oklahoma used to generally be okay with democrats as a governor, but never a president.

But the exceptions to those conservatives are mostly as I've described above.

I was surprised to learn last night a family friend who is a folk singer from Yonkers, NY is among the undecided. She seems to not know if Obama is good or not, but she won't trust any information as unbiased and again seems intent on falsely equivocating both candidates.

Her primary stance on the issue was not liking Romney's tone of voice, while not knowing who to trust.

Most of these people are amusingly liberal, stereotypically liberal in fact, but they lack an understanding of the issues and pitifully attempt to maintain a facade of neutrality, because they are "tired of the fighting."

Out of the majority of the people I know locally, maybe 4 or 5 of them are educated and have a reasonable enough grasp of the issues to argue with each other by exchanging actual points.
 
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We have, for better or worse, two choices. I support Obama because I can at least define where he stands and how he is likely to perform. Romney is intentionally a cipher. I thought I would actually like the guy, but he has proven himself unlikeable.

-Ben
 

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