19 hijackers in a cave strawman

Swing Dangler said:
Because other experts have stated that the operation would have to have some kind of state sponsored support, not just an independent cave dwelling operation.

The argument of course is, which State?
Some argue Saudia Arabia, others argue Israel, some argue Afghanistan, some argue that individuals within the U.S. Govt's covert operatus helped to facilitate the attacks. Or perhaps a combination of some of the above.
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Other experts? Care to name one.

Why would they NEED state sponsored support? The plan was actually very simple and required very little resources. And keep in mind that knocking down the towers was not the plan, that was just a bonus for them.
 
Walter Ego said:


Only if they had caveman lawyer helping them... :eye-poppi
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Unfrozen Caveman Lawyer.

(Addressing a jury): Your world...frightens and confuses me. It makes me want to...get out of my BMW and run up into the hills.
 
Yeah I would like to know about swing's "experts" and their arguments as well. What could states provide that money can't just buy?
 
Spindrift said:
Other experts? Care to name one.

Milton Bearden: Milton Bearden – Former CIA Station Chief in Pakistan, Germany, Nigeria, and Sudan. Served In Pakistan from 1986 to 1989, where he played a role in training the mujahedeen in Afghanistan. Later served as the director of the Soviet/East European Division during the collapse of the Soviet Union. He received the Distinguished Intelligence Medal, the Intelligence Medal of Merit, and the Donovan Award for his CIA service. He received the Federal Cross of Merit from the President of the German Federal Republic for his service in Germany at the end of the Cold War. 30-year CIA career. Currently author and commentator on intelligence services and terrorism.

Why would they NEED state sponsored support? The plan was actually very simple and required very little resources. And keep in mind that knocking down the towers was not the plan, that was just a bonus for them.
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Milton Bearden: My gut tells me we don't know the answer yet. My gut tells me that I'm not going to go with the first answer that comes to mind, but there's quite possible something else out there. Experts will jump on you and say it's Osama bin Laden's MO. He's the only one that is capable of this type of coordinated attack. My answer to them is he's the only one you know that's capable of this kind of attack. This was a tremendously sophisticated operation against the United States; more sophisticated than anybody would ever have ascribed to Osama bin Laden. I think we need to do a little homework. We need to appoint a Team B that looks for somebody else. I'm just not convinced it was bin Laden.
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William Christison – Former National Intelligence Officer and Director of the CIA's Office of Regional and Political Analysis. 29-year CIA veteran.
I have since decided that....at least some elements in this US government had contributed in some way or other to causing 9/11 to happen or at least allowing it to happen.
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Those are just a couple of experts who are qualified to speak on the matter. You can find more at Patriots Question 9/11.
 
DGM said:
No evidence, appeal to authority noted. Better luck next time.
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And one of those authorities, while suggesting that OBL may not be the only possible culprit, directly opposes Swing's position by admitting that the attack bore OBL's MO and was within his capability.

Dave
 
DGM said:
No evidence, appeal to authority noted. Better luck next time.
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Reading comprehension problems again? Do you ever go back and look at the comments prior to my posting? Somehow I doubt it so I will recap for you:
Spindrift-Other experts? Care to name one.
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Jonnyclueless Yeah I would like to know about swing's "experts" and their arguments as well. What could states provide that money can't just buy?
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Of course I listed Milton Bearden and William Christison to support my statement:
Swing Dangler-Because other experts have stated that the operation would have to have some kind of state sponsored support, not just an independent cave dwelling operation.
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They have far more experience and expertise than any of us do on this thread to comment on the geo-political events leading up to 9/11.

The appeal to authority is a useless fallacy in this case as I didn't not appeal to my two examples to support an argument. I cited to experts to support my comment which isn't an argument at all but a statement of fact.
Your not very good at this are you?
 
Dave Rogers said:
And one of those authorities, while suggesting that OBL may not be the only possible culprit, directly opposes Swing's position by admitting that the attack bore OBL's MO and was within his capability.

Dave
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One he didn't admit it, he repeated what he had heard from other experts.
Experts will jump on you and say it's Osama bin Laden's MO. He's the only one that is capable of this type of coordinated attack.
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He follows up with his own statement and suspicion which I used to support my original statement.

Geesh what is it with you debunkers and reading comprehension. I originally came to this forum for a solid intellectual discussion and you guys can't even comprehend what you read.
 
Swing Dangler said:
One he didn't admit it, he repeated what he had heard from other experts.

He follows up with his own statement and suspicion which I used to support my original statement.

Geesh what is it with you debunkers and reading comprehension. I originally came to this forum for a solid intellectual discussion and you guys can't even comprehend what you read.
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If the above bolded part is true then you should have come more prepared as you haven't shown one iota of intelligence yet.
 
Swing Dangler said:
One he didn't admit it, he repeated what he had heard from other experts.

He follows up with his own statement and suspicion which I used to support my original statement.

Geesh what is it with you debunkers and reading comprehension. I originally came to this forum for a solid intellectual discussion and you guys can't even comprehend what you read.
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Want some cheese with that whine?
 
Swing Dangler said:
He follows up with his own statement and suspicion which I used to support my original statement.
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My answer to them is he's the only one you know that's capable of this kind of attack.
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By implication, he's accepting the stipulation that OBL is capable of this kind of attack. That's the bit that requires reading comprehension.

Dave
 
moon1969 said:
All the twoof movement has to do is go to ADX Florence and ask Ramzi Yousef. Ramzi Yousef would probaly say that 9/11 was not an inside job and KSM planed both atacks.
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Actually KSM didn't plan the '93 attack, Yousef did. The intial attack type used on 9/11 was Yousef's too. He wanted to fly a plane into the CIA Headquarters, KSM got the idea from him. KSM did help fund the '93 attack though.
 
ANother favorite truther bit, which even they have been forced to abandon,was there refusal to believe that 19 people could be found who were willing to kill themselves to destroy their enemy.
Apparently they had never heard of the Kamikazes of World War 2,where Japan was able to find a few thousand who were willing to do that to earn their place in the Yasukuni Shrine.
Of course the advent of the Suicide Bomber in the Mideast since 9/11 has made the truthers abandon that piece of idiocy..a rare event indeed.
 
dudalb said:
Of course the advent of the Suicide Bomber in the Mideast since 9/11 has made the truthers abandon that piece of idiocy..a rare event indeed.
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Palestinian groups Hamas and the PLO have been using suicide bombers since 1994. Hezbolah had used them previous to that in Lebanon.
 
The first modern suicide bombing attack was apparently in 1981, and quickly spread in the Lebanese Civil War and in Sri Lanka.

The first ever recorded use of an explosive belt in a suicide attack was on May 21, 1991 when Thenmuli Rajaratnam of the Tamil Tigers assassinated Rajiv Ghandi.
 
Swing Dangler said:
Truthers say that because that is what Bush told us all. Remember he said he was going to smoke them out of their caves, yada yada yada.
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Actually, Swing, Bush never said he was gonna smoke the hijackers out of their caves.

The hijackers all died on 9/11, remember?
 
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