100 Scientists, National Poll Challenge Darwinism

Further evidence of deceit:
Although Baumgardner is listed as "Technical Staff, Theoretical Division: Los Alamos National Laboratory," I just learned that he actually retired from Los Alamos in 2004, and has since been employed by the Institute for Creation Research in Santee, California.

(according to the December 9, 2006 issue of New Scientist)
 
Here's a quote from Dr Baumgartner from the "scientists Who Believe" site.

"Dr. Baumgardner: I'm trying to understand what happened to the Earth in Noah's flood and put together a solid scientific case that supports the biblical account of a world- destroying catastrophic flood. "

If that's not a case of making the evidence fit the conclusion, I've never seen one!
 
Consider the full title of Darwin's book: "The Origin of Species By Means of Natural Selection or the Preservation of Favoured Races in the Struggle for Life."

The right denies evolution, but the fossil evidence is clear.
The right denies natural selection and yet it still occurs today.
The left denies the obvious existence of race.

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/08/s...8dabfb269&ei=5090&partner=rssuserland&emc=rss

The left and right oppose Darwin for different reasons.

My question is: how does one explain the cambrian explosion of life?

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,983789,00.html

 
Meanwhile, a Zogby Poll released today shows overwhelming public support--81 percent--for the position that "When public broadcasting networks discuss Darwin's theory of evolution, they should present the scientific evidence for it, but also the scientific evidence against it." Only 10 percent support presenting "only the scientific evidence that supports" Darwin's theory. (Less than 10 percent said "Neither" or "Not sure.")

You know, I don't have the slightest problem with them showing the scientific evidence against Evolution.

In fact, I'll insist on them showing it.














.....so......where is the scientific evidence against Evolution?
 
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[INSERT COMMENT], therefore, God must have created the universe.
 
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Consider the full title of Darwin's book: "The Origin of Species By Means of Natural Selection or the Preservation of Favoured Races in the Struggle for Life."

The right denies evolution, but the fossil evidence is clear.
The right denies natural selection and yet it still occurs today.
The left denies the obvious existence of race.

The left and right oppose Darwin for different reasons.
Consider the meaning that "the left" applies to the word "race" and the sense in which Darwin was using it: they are not remotely the same.

My question is: how does one explain the cambrian explosion of life?
http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CC/CC300.html

By the way, people will take you just as seriously (and probably more so) if you don't go to the trouble of using non-standard fonts.
 
Opinions mean nothing, even if they belong to scientists, engineers, or James Randi. This difference -- the crucial difference -- is when those opinions can be back up by verifyable facts.

Fantasies are not facts. Opinions are not facts. Feelings are not facts. Theories are not facts. Flyspecks on grainy photographs are not facts. Rumors of stockpiles of weapons of mass destruction are not facts. "Yo momma so ugly" jokes are not facts.

FACTS are facts.

-Fnord of Dyscordia-
 
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I’ve never understood why the so-called “Cambrian explosion” was or is such a mystery! By all theories that I’ve read about, it occurred over 10 million years or so, plenty of time for large numbers of beasties to evolve, adapt and die off.
 
:boggled: Idiots like these 100 are the reason that the bulk of the world's populace is ignorant of basic facts of life. No wonder our schools are full of borderline basket-weavers who barely know enough to put food into their mouths and not straight up their poop-shoots. I weep for the future.


Dry your tears. Asia is overloaded with smart and well educated people who are well able to tell reality from fantasy and who aim to get rich on the difference. Good on them.

There's more to mankind than America.

(I'm not knocking America specifically, but if the first woman on the Moon is Chinese, I won't be upset, just so long as there is a first woman on the Moon.)
 
Maybe the Discovery Institute should release some of their biologists--Liberty University has been looking for creationist biologists for months now--

http://www.liberty.edu/administration/humanresources/index.cfm?PID=4353

I guess there's a shortage of creation biologists --and they're all old guys, aren't they? That's a line that's dying out (I hope). The hard facts about evolution is if "it doesn't work, it doesn't stick around." And the creationist lineage is one I won't miss.

http://onegoodmove.org/1gm/1gmarchive/2006/11/not_a_trivial_e.html
(Dawkins slamming Liberty U)

Apparently Liberty University Science grads can become osteopaths:
http://www.liberty.edu/index.cfm?pid=506http://www.liberty.edu/index.cfm?pid=506
(and I'm sure they can teach at Liberty U too.) (And the white house seems to like to use them for interns...)
 
By the way, people will take you just as seriously (and probably more so) if you don't go to the trouble of using non-standard fonts.

Internet Rule #237: The quality of the information is inversely proportional to the size of the font.

AKA "if you can't say it good, say it loud."
 
You know, I don't have the slightest problem with them showing the scientific evidence against Evolution.

In fact, I'll insist on them showing it.

.....so......where is the scientific evidence against Evolution?

Pocket gopher cheek pouches and bolyerine snake jaws; and it's "Darwin's theory of evolution" in the original, not evolution in general.

"When public broadcasting networks discuss Darwin's theory of evolution, they should present the scientific evidence for it, but also the scientific evidence against it."
 
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My question is: how does one explain the cambrian explosion of life?

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,983789,00.html


I did not read the NYT article, but I am familiar with the premise. It usualy is based upon a couple of ideas:
1. Wow there are suddenly all these life forms , where did they come from?
2.The Cambrian creatures have some sort of feature that was never seen before, where did it come from?
3. The cambrian creatures don't have something, it appears later, where did it come from?

To question 1,2 and 3. First off, the Cambrian explosion is a misnomer, it is a sound byte, something to grab the attention. What is the cambrian explosion, so called, it is the first evidence of a variety of multicellur life forms of some complexity. But what do fossils, like the Burgess shale represent? They represent a preservation event. Fossilization is a crap shoot, you have to have certain conditions for the objects to be preserved. So the Cambrian explosion is more like the Cambrian death events leading to preservation. Just like the alleged CroMagnon or Magdelenian explosion of human culture, there are no artifacts of humans making tools out of anything other than rock prior to 10,000-14,000 BCE, suddenly there are all these cool bone, wooden and clay objects, why? Because the europeans were so smart that they just invented them all! Wrong, they are there because that is the preservation window.

1. The diversity of life forms, we don't know how long life existed prior to the cambrian fossilization, we have some soft body preservation from the Burgess shale, but it is like trying to recreate any creature after it has been mixed in with a lot of other creatures and placed in a car crusher, then baked and set in cement. We have a vauge idea of what that particular sample of creatures might have looked like. It could be a sample of all the life at that time, it could be a fractional sample, we don't know. So we don't actualy know anything other than that these life forms got preserved.
It is likely that life existed long before these creatures were preserved.
2.Sampling, we don't have intermediate life forms, and things can also evolve through jumps starts and slow changes.
3. Same as above.

I will look through the article and see what it says.
 
Even worse, it is an article in Time:
Some selected quotes.
FOR BILLIONS OF YEARS, SIMPLE CREATURES LIKE PLANKTON, BACTERIA AND ALGAE RULED THE EARTH. THEN, SUDDENLY, LIFE GOT VERY COMPLICATED
This headline is ridiculous, they provide no evidence, we know very little of the Precambrian. This twaddle.
As such, the innocuous-seeming creature and its curvy spoor mark the threshold of a critical interlude in the history of life. For the Cambrian is a period distinguished by the abrupt appearance of an astonishing array of multicelled animals--animals that are the ancestors of virtually all the creatures that now swim, fly and crawl through the visible world.
Abrupt, what the article cites one example of a Pre Cambrian find and concludes, what? Speculation.
Where did this extraordinary bestiary come from, and why did it emerge so quickly? In recent years, no question has stirred the imagination of more evolutionary experts, spawned more novel theories or spurred more far-flung expeditions. Life has occupied the planet for nearly 4 billion of its 4.5 billion years. But until about 600 million years ago, there were no organisms more complex than bacteria, multicelled algae and single-celled plankton. The first hint of biological ferment was a plethora of mysterious palm-shape, frondlike creatures that vanished as inexplicably as they appeared. Then, 543 million years ago, in the early Cambrian, within the span of no more than 10 million years, creatures with teeth and tentacles and claws and jaws materialized with the suddenness of apparitions.
Lack of evidence any one? No evidence of what the PreCambrian was like. Conclusion, it lacked diversity.
and in fact had been preceded by a lengthy period of evolution for which the geological record was missing. But this explanation, while it patched over a hole in an otherwise masterly theory, now seems increasingly unsatisfactory. Since 1987, discoveries of major fossil beds in Greenland, in China, in Siberia, and now in Namibia have shown that the period of biological innovation occurred at virtually the same instant in geologic time all around the world.
Oooh, a preservation event in three places, no evidence for a lack of evolution for three billion years. Brain candy.
Grotzinger's team has documented the existence of a flourishing biological community on the cusp of a startling transformation, a community in which small wormlike somethings, small shelly somethings--perhaps even large frondlike somethings--were in the process of crossing over a shadow line into uninhabited ecospace.
Oh, look the one citation for life prior to the Cambrian explosion shows what? Diversity! And a bunch of hyperbolic adjectives.
The more scientists struggle to explain the Cambrian explosion, the more singular it seems.
Assertion, not fact.
And just as the peculiar behavior of light forced physicists to conclude that Newton's laws were incomplete, so the Cambrian explosion has caused experts to wonder if the twin Darwinian imperatives of genetic variation and natural selection provide an adequate framework for understanding evolution.
Omigosh, look, it's a neutron. there goes particle physics. Attacking darwin is popular with the fundies. Never mind that Newton's light laws got revised. That makes him a chump too!
"What Darwin described in the Origin of Species," observes Queen's University paleontologist Narbonne, "was the steady background kind of evolution. But there also seems to be a non-Darwinian kind of evolution that functions over extremely short time periods--and that's where all the action is."

Notice that it is still evolution.

I give this essay a D+.
 
Yeah, my estimation of him being smart is based on my knowledge of his computational work, not the alleged Nobel business. I'm pretty sure the Nobel committee don't disclose who they consider for the prizes.
All Nobel Prize nominations are kept secret for 50 years. So it's pretty easy for someone to claim they've been a Prize nominee; they'll probably be dead (and their claims forgotten) by the time the papers are released.
And it's not all that difficult to get yourself nominated, anyway; see the Nobel prize FAQs.
 
I struggle to reconcile how someone as smart as Schaefer manages to be such a dumbass.

Because he knows he is that smart, and thus is not going to make a mistake, so when he beleives in god it must refute evolution right?
 
And if scientific reality were decided by opinion and shouting loudly about fields of expertise outside your own then these scientists' opinions would be highly relevant and interesting.

It's not so they aren't.
 
Why is the maroon only picking on Darwin's theory of evolution? Discovery institute is a bloddy joke too.
 

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