10 story hole in WTC 7

[respublicus]

jump and find out.

 

[beachnut]

For respublicus - Physics is not your strong suit is it? (you are not an engineer are you?)

How did WTC7 get all that damage the morning of 9/11? Do you support a hole from debris of 10 stories?

I still like your 110 seconds WTC collapse; you are wrong out of the blocks. The 110 seconds pretty much makes you a physics challenged CTer. Ask a physics teacher to explain it to you one day. That was the worst time estimate I have seen. You are not the first to use the exact same lame time. ( almost as bad as thermite by that cold fusion guy who lost his job cause he was nuts )

Can you review that collapse time again? How did you get 110 seconds?

 

[respublicus]

Who you talkin to, Steven Jones?

 

[Brainache]

What is that supposed to prove?

Basically that you are not talking to a bunch of ignorant school kids. That if you are trying to prove something here it will take more than childish insults.
A lot of the people who read this forum are actual engineers who do real engineering in the real actual world. They don't live in your fantasy world of spies and lies.

I have seen pictures and videos of actual controlled demolitions, and ditto of the WTC. It's clear.

So watching a few videos on youtube trumps years of training and experience?
Where did you learn such conceit?
I bet your mum thinks you are an angel.

The arguments from Nist are anything but clear. Fema and Nist admitted they were not able to explain the WTC 7 collapse.

NIST's arguments are clear to people who have the brains to understand them. It doesn't look like you fall into that category

I have also studied a lot of other relevant information, historical, about false flag terrorism and politics.
I know an enormous amount about 911 and I'm not going to sit here writing it all down for people with closed minds.

You assume that others haven't read all that stuff too?
I'm not sure why I'm bothering with this response to you as it appears you have left your mind so open that your brain fell out.

Plus I'm not a blinking fascist foot soldier like your lot who has to wait for a bureaucracy to tell me what to think

You're so totally naive. According to you, your government is always the good fairy.

Like you never even heard of corruption.

Write Santa Claus or your congressman and ask them to send you a book about it. I am not going to try to teach you.

Again you are just so wrong. People here look at the evidence. Real evidence, not the rubbish you seem to accept at face value. Have you checked all your sources to see where the real fascists are? I'll give you a hint: The people you blindly follow are the NAZIs. (hope that wasn't too subtle for you)

 

[Mancman]

UH, ohkay now, let's take this real slow now, i know heavy brainwashing has deleterious effects on your brain function. So this is going to be reaaalll eeazy, now

1. video evidence
get a clock or a watch. have you seen one of those before? Ask you mommy, maybe she has. Then get a video. Find somebody who can read the clock. clock the collapse.

2. Ok, this is a little bit harder but you can do it. You need to know a little bit of arithmetic and measures.

We'll keep it reeaaal simple. Let's say each floor pancakes really fast - say in one second flat.
There are 110 floors.
How many seconds. Take your time now.
Ok, give up?
Ok i will tell you.
It's 110 seconds.
Almost two minutes. Those are marked by the long hand on the clock, see?

Oh dear. Dear oh dear.

1. I asked for evidence. You provided none. Every video I have seen shows a 14-18 second collapse with another 10+ seconds for the cores to follow.

2. Hilarious. Where did you get one second from? Do you have any idea what you are on about?

Simple test for you to demonstrate your basic knowledge of physics.
An object falls 10m with a starting velocity of 30 m/s. The only acceleration during this is gravity. Do not worry about air resistance.

- What is the final velocity?
- What is the average velocity of the fall?
- How long does it take to fall 10m?

With your huge IQ and knowledge of arithmetics this should be a doddle.

 

[NDBoston]

Good God

jump and find out.

I actually worked at WTC7 for Salomon (then SSB) three years up to and including 9/11 working on the 43rd floor but spent most days on anywhere between the 28th through 44th

Please explain to me how my building was wired for controlled demolition while we were packed like sardines before and after the merger with people on three floors 24/7 and most with people on it 7 days a week working long hours.

I felt the debris hit the building after the first plane hit. There was so much debris hitting the building that we were forced to go out through the back.

Have you bothered to do one shred of research or are you just stupid?

 

[Belz...]

Right. There are no puffs of smoke going up the side of WTC 7 in this video:

Can't tell. The thing's blurry as hell.

Also, why would they detonate a portion of the building that's already damaged ?

And you're an expert who knows the latest technology.

I'm not willing to speculate about technology that might exist in your mind. I'm talking about reality. How much time do you think it would take to rigt 7 for demolition ?

Also, did you or did you not misunderstand Redtail about the word "always" ?

 

[Belz...]

I mean, you wouldn't bother with expensive and dangerous explosives to burn a trash pile, so why bother with them for bldgs if a little fire can do the trick and bring them down so neatly....

Neatly ?

The pic you reference shows more smoke than anything else. Call it a gouge if you like.

Isn't it obvious enough ?

Blunt impact? Flying columns of steel from WTC 1. Where did they come from? Never mind Lihop or Mihop, it's the IHOP theory, the Infernal House of Pancakes.
Those steel girders were ejected in an explosion.

Irrelevant. They fell into WTC7.

yup. and the answer is equally obvious.
it means a whole lot of people are immersed in MSM brainwashing.
that's the way the powers that be would have it.

Circular reasoning and speculation.

Coritani, you may be a Thinker, but you are not yet much of a knower.
You think only what the majority thinks.

Appeal to ... elitism ?

Anyone can be wrong.

Including you.

You orthodox thinkers just can't use logic and common sense.

Ah, yes, common sense. THE SAME COMMON SENSE THAT TELLS YOU THE EARTH IS FLAT AND THAT HEAVIER OBJECTS FALL FASTER.

 

[Belz...]

You [all] ignored the reasoning. ie:
I have pictures of the 2 [or3] sides that they coulden't see.
I don't doubt that they saw the south corner smoking from top to bottom and thought it was 'fully involved'.
With the advantage of being able to see all 4 sides, i respectfully disagree with the 'fully involved' evaluation.
I also respectfully disagree with the Captain who has seen pictures of all 4 sides.
The Windsor was fully involved, WTC 7 was not. IMO

So... your "reasoning" is that you disagree ????

 

[JimBenArm]

<snip>

Have you bothered to do one shred of research or are you just stupid?

(bolding mine)

I know what I'm voting for!

 

[aggle-rithm]

You moron. The building was blown up in a controlled demolition and fell at free fall speed.

From your hypothetical situation where each floor of the building took 1 second to collapse, it's clear that you don't know what "free fall" means.

You don't have much going for you, do you? Not only are you apparently ignorant of the principles you are attempting to discuss, but you lack even the most basic debating skills.

I'd bail out quietly if I were you. Just a piece of friendly advice.

 

[Belz...]

I [and a lot of other people] can see by the results that someone rigged WTC 7 for demolition prior to 9/11.

This is not rocket science.

Building implosions are very distinctive.

Then why are the experts in disagreement with you ?

The center falls first to bring in the outer walls in, and it falls mostly straight down in near freefall and lands mostly in its own footprint.

Wiggle room ?

Maybe you believe that the failure of 1 key column, the 'initiating event' as proposed in the NIST Report, led to the total collapse of WTC 7.

I'm not buying it.

Argument from incredulity.

It's impossible to prove a negative.

[...]

You cannot rule out the possibility that it was a CD.

That's not debunking, it's just an opinion.

Something about a pot and a kettle comes to mind.

 

[Belz...]

get a brain of your own and we can talk

Ah, the typical paranoid response. They're ALL brainwashed.

Haven't you seen the video or pic of one of the Twin Towers erupting like a volcano, with tons of material being forcefully ejected outwards and UPWARDS?

You say that was not an explosion?!

This is probably going to be futile: when falling pieces of metal can't go down, where do you think they're going to go ?

I

can see clearly with this pair of eyes.
You can only see what you have been told to see.

Ah, the typical paranoid response. They're ALL brainwashed.

WTC 7 is the classic implosion demolition, first the nick in the center, walls falling inward.

The Twin Towers were a special case. Possibly because of their great height, it was needed to explode away a lot of the mass?

Speculate much ?

The material is being massively ejected higher up from the big explosions.

And they placed explosives in damaged areas because... ?

Squibs are from placed charges that sever supporting columns. They are characteristic of implosion demolitions.

Not exclusively, and not in this fashion. And they're not called squibs.

Of course these dildos still havent figured out how 110 stories could pancake in 10 seconds.

Lots of people who don't drink kool-aid have.

Sorry guys. I mean, there's nothing wrong with having an IQ of 90. If there were nobody below average, there wouldn't be anybody above it either, right? Ooops, sorry, i might have confused you there too. Not trying to make it complicated, honest.
Just don't worry about it. Der Fuehrer will take care of everything.

I was wondering when the Nazis would come up.

We'll keep it reeaaal simple. Let's say each floor pancakes really fast - say in one second flat.
There are 110 floors.
How many seconds. Take your time now.
Ok, give up?
Ok i will tell you.
It's 110 seconds.
Almost two minutes. Those are marked by the long hand on the clock, see?

Perhaps you've heard before, but gravity creates something that smart people know as "acceleration".

 

[Belz...]

Oh. Let me rewrite the question so you can understand it: how long should the collapse have taken? Show your calculations.

You moron. The building was blown up in a controlled demolition and fell at free fall speed.

Ladies and gentlemen, truther "reasoning".

 

[stateofgrace]

From your hypothetical situation where each floor of the building took 1 second to collapse, it's clear that you don't know what "free fall" means.

You don't have much going for you, do you? Not only are you apparently ignorant of the principles you are attempting to discuss, but you lack even the most basic debating skills.

I'd bail out quietly if I were you. Just a piece of friendly advice.

I would take this advice if I were you respublicus, trying to promote your beliefs with nothing but insults does not help your case, or the movement who you are trying to represent.

 

[Belz...]

What is that supposed to prove?
I have seen pictures and videos of actual controlled demolitions, and ditto of the WTC. It's clear.

"Gee, this picture looks kinda like this one. They must be the same."

The arguments from Nist are anything but clear.

They're not supposed to be read by ignorants.

I have also studied a lot of other relevant information, historical, about false flag terrorism and politics.

Ah, yes. The good old "it happened before, therefore it happened at time X", which I guess goes hand-in-hand with "it never happened before, therefore it didn't happen at time X."

I know an enormous amount about 911 and I'm not going to sit here writing it all down for people with closed minds.

"I have no evidence, and I know better than to completely embarrass myself in front of people who obvioulsy know more than I do."

Plus I'm not a blinking fascist foot soldier like your lot who has to wait for a bureaucracy to tell me what to think

Gotta love Godwin.

You're so totally naive. According to you, your government is always the good fairy.

Strawman argument and false dichotomy.

Like you never even heard of corruption.

Non sequitur.

 

[twinstead]

Cool. We don't get many spittle-spewing ideologues round these parts.

Rock on respublicus

 

[Gravy]

UH, ohkay now, let's take this real slow now, i know heavy brainwashing has deleterious effects on your brain function. So this is going to be reaaalll eeazy, now

1. video evidence
get a clock or a watch. have you seen one of those before? Ask you mommy, maybe she has. Then get a video. Find somebody who can read the clock. clock the collapse.

2. Ok, this is a little bit harder but you can do it. You need to know a little bit of arithmetic and measures.

We'll keep it reeaaal simple. Let's say each floor pancakes really fast - say in one second flat.
There are 110 floors.
How many seconds. Take your time now.
Ok, give up?
Ok i will tell you.
It's 110 seconds.
Almost two minutes. Those are marked by the long hand on the clock, see?

We have a new winner.

Please, respublicus, whatever you do, don't stop posting here. Don't go away. Okay?

 

[jaydeehess]

1. video evidence
get a clock or a watch. have you seen one of those before? Ask you mommy, maybe she has. Then get a video. Find somebody who can read the clock. clock the collapse.

2. Ok, this is a little bit harder but you can do it. You need to know a little bit of arithmetic and measures.

We'll keep it reeaaal simple. Let's say each floor pancakes really fast - say in one second flat.
There are 110 floors.
How many seconds. Take your time now.
Ok, give up?
Ok i will tell you.
It's 110 seconds.
Almost two minutes. Those are marked by the long hand on the clock, see?

1) This requires that one be able to discern what is occuring within the obscuring dust cloud to a degree that allows one to be sure that the collapse has indeed reached the ground and to an accuracy of within 1 second. Since that is in itself not possible it makes your simple solution a moot point. That is unless your mother has super-dooper x-ray vision glasses on hand that work on a recorded image.

2) This is very similar to Judy Woods' ridiculous assesment of a pancake collapse.

This requires that each pancake event come to a complete halt before resulting in the failure of the next floor and initiating the next pancake event. Woods' makes no justification for this at all other than to speculate that all of the kinetic energy of the falling section must be used to fail the next floor. That speculation is simply stated, not backed up by any reasoning whatsoever let alone any calculations. It also ignores the fact that as the building pancakes in this way the kinetic energy increases with the increase in falling mass.

Why does Woods do this? Because she was too lazy or dogmatic in belief to do an assesment that would have her using the training she should have received in undergrad schooling. She should stick to designing better dentures.

There is no reason to have the collapse stop at each level.
republicus, the height of one floor in the WTC towers was 3 meters. How long is the time to fall three meters in free fall? What is the calculation that you use to figure this out? Such information is taught in high school physics so if you have even the teeniest bit of technical expertise then this should be a cakewalk. Even if you do not then all you need do is actually read any one of tens of thousands of forum postings on the internet concerning free fall in which this formula is espressly shown.


Now, wasn't this thread about WTC 7? I think so. Thank you for stopping by republicus. See you in a thread dealing with the towers sometime soon? hopefully you won't be repeating this idiocy again.

You a one trick pony and that one trick seems to be ad hom spewings.

 

[A W Smith]

WOW......just.. Well.. just Wow is all i can say

We'll keep it reeaaal simple. Let's say each floor pancakes really fast - say in one second flat.
There are 110 floors.
How many seconds. Take your time now.
Ok, give up?
Ok i will tell you.
It's 110 seconds.
Almost two minutes. Those are marked by the long hand on the clock, see?

Holy phchit!

yeah i tried to add a snippet of that as a sig but way too long.

So your saying if the collapse of the WTC was like.. A super bowl commercial, I could run upstairs to the bathroom, Urinate, Flush the toilet and fly back downstairs in time to see it hit the ground?

As Ben Stein would say, And with his voice even WOW!!