10 story hole in WTC 7

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Cut the s*it Gravy.

Had you bothered to read a little before posting, you would know that i called NIST and they told me that:

THEY HAVE NOT RELEASED THE NEW ASSESSMENT TO THE PUBLIC

Kindly stop blowin smoke up my ass please.
BRAVO! After being pushed and pushed, you finally decided to DO something. It's beyond me why you have to be embarrassed into getting information about your own claim.

Now are you going to continue to whine, or are you going to wait for NIST's report?

I can better assess the damage, sitting here at my computer 5 years later, because i can see the other 2 [perhaps 3] sides of wtc 7 that the firefighter could not see.

east and north sides. east side in shadow = afternoon

west side in sunlight = afternoon

This building is NOT anything close to being 'fully involved'
Sheer genius!
 
This would be accepted by us a lot better if it weren't so apparent that you are questioning NIST not only in an irrelevant, pedantic way, but that you are implying something nefarious.
What's irrelevant and pedantic about quoting government documents?

If NIST corrects its 'mistakes' in the revised edition, you will go on probably with little comment to some other 'anomaly' in the official story surrounding 911.
Yes. There are lots of anomalies in the official story.

If not, NIST will probably describe in minute detail why they came to their conclusions, but you just won't believe them and rely on your own flawed 'investigation'.
That depends on what they say.
 
BRAVO! After being pushed and pushed, you finally decided to DO something. It's beyond me why you have to be embarrassed into getting information about your own claim.
Actually, i did something right away.
I made the mistake of believing you, and looked for something that did not exist. ie: 'The new assessment', which hasn't been released to the public.


You are truly a master at avoiding the subject of this thread.
 
Yes. There are lots of anomalies in the official story.

Do you mean normal, expected anomalies that exist in EVERY major investigation of any complex event in the history of Man, extraordinary anomalies that you have legitimate evidence should not exist, or simply what you consider anomalies, which may or not may actually BE anomalies?
 
I can better assess the damage, sitting here at my computer 5 years later, because i can see the other 2 [perhaps 3] sides of wtc 7 that the firefighter could not see.

east and north sides. east side in shadow = afternoon

west side in sunlight = afternoon

This building is NOT anything close to being 'fully involved'

Sheer genius!


That's nomination-worthy for the 2007 Twoofer Posts of the Year (to date) even. Where did you find it? Is it part of an edited post or is it from somewhere else? I can't find a link to it but I'd love to nominate it :)
 
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2283625397351664218&q=Craig+Bartmer

That's nomination-worthy for the 2007 Twoofer Posts of the Year (to date) even. Where did you find it? Is it part of an edited post or is it from somewhere else? I can't find a link to it but I'd love to nominate it :)
He found it over at the LC forum.
I was answering someone who thought WTC 7 was 'fully involved'

Ever notice how Gravy avoids answering the question posed in this thread by talking to and about me.

Ignore the facts you cannot dispute and talk about the messenger.

Way to go Gravy.

He even implied that Craig Bartmer was a liar.

[post # 88]

Craig was a 9/11 hero until he said "I know an explosion when i hear one"

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2283625397351664218&q=Craig+Bartmer

If clicking on link doesn't work, copy and paste URL
 
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He found it over at the LC forum.
I was answering someone who thought WTC 7 was 'fully involved'

Ever notice how Gravy avoids answering the question posed in this thread by talking to and about me.

Ignore the facts you cannot dispute and talk about the messenger.

Way to go Gravy.

He even implied that Craig Bartmer was a liar.

Craig was a 9/11 hero until he said "I know an explosion when i hear one"

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2283625397351664218&q=Craig+Bartmer

If clicking on link doesn't work, copy and paste URL

So "explosion" always involves a bomb?
 
No
Sometimes it's part of a CD.
So there were no explosions at the WTC on 9/11 that were not bombs or demolitions charges? Are you sticking with that story?

Oh, by the way, Chris, it wasn't me who called Craig Bartmer a liar, it was someone who claimed to be an ex-girlfriend of his. And the many experts who were on the scene do not corroborate his story.
 
So there were no explosions at the WTC on 9/11 that were not bombs or demolitions charges? Are you sticking with that story?
Where did that come from?

Oh, by the way, Chris, it wasn't me who called Craig Bartmer a liar, it was someone who claimed to be an ex-girlfriend of his. And the many experts who were on the scene do not corroborate his story.
You were just the one who posted it here.
Are implying that he is a liar again?
 
He found it over at the LC forum.
I was answering someone who thought WTC 7 was 'fully involved'

I see. So, now you're also a self proclaimed expert in firefighting, too? Ask a firefighter whether WTC7 was fully involved - I have.

Ever notice how Gravy avoids answering the question posed in this thread by talking to and about me.

I've certainly noticed how you avoid answering posts directed specifically to you in this thread - as evidenced by the fact that I had to put the same query to you several times already and you still haven't responded to it properly, as set out above.

I've noticed that Gravy doesn't necessarily respond to the same, old, tired, lame, repetitive tinhat posts such as yours, and I don't blame him for that. One can only answer the same old, tired, lame, repetitive tinhat posts so many times before one starts to simply ignore them.

Ignore the facts you cannot dispute and talk about the messenger.

I agree that you have ignored the facts that you cannot dispute and that you instead talk about the messenger. You really should try harder to address the facts and you really should try harder to address the questions posed to you about the non-facts that you posit. You should also learn some critical and logical thinking skills, as you will find them most helpful in future.

Way to go Gravy.

Gravy does a darned fine job of calling you and other twoofers on their BS, doesn't he? I quite agree.

He even implied that Craig Bartmer was a liar.

Did he?

I'm not sure that he did. And whether he did or not, personally, I do not find Mr. Bartmer's account to be internally or externally consistent and I do not find it to be particularly credible as a result.

Craig was a 9/11 hero until he said "I know an explosion when i hear one"

I don't know that "Craig was a 9/11 hero" as you put it, either before or after his comments, but if he was, he still is. That is irrelevant to the fact that "knowing an explosion when you hear one" hardly supports the conspiracy fantasist view of controlled demolitions, bombs, etc. I do not understand why you think that someone saying there was an "explosion" in a burning building is surprising or unusual, and I certainly do not understand why you think an explosion in a burning building means controlled demolition or pre-planted explosives. It does not.

Edit to add: And when, oh when, are you ever going to get around to addressing my repeated query about the opportunity to observe of those witnesses whose statements you've unilaterally declared to be inconsistent without ever addressing any of the elements required to make that assessment?
 
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Where did that come from?
Ahem.
So "explosion" always involves a bomb?
No Sometimes it's part of a CD.
Second time: were there any explosions at the WTC on 9/11 that weren't a bomb or a CD?

You were just the one who posted it here.
Are implying that he is a liar again?
And why did I post it, Chris? I told you why: as an example of an unsubstantiated claim. Short memory you have. What is it with you people calling anyone who is wrong a liar? Why can't people be mistaken without lying?
 
I see. So, now you're also a self proclaimed expert in firefighting, too? Ask a firefighter whether WTC7 was fully involved - I have.
Good grief. Do you think WTC 7 was fully involved?
What part of 'fully' don't you understand?

I've certainly noticed how you avoid answering posts directed specifically to you in this thread - as evidenced by the fact that I had to put the same query to you several times already and you still haven't responded to it properly, as set out above.
I don't always have time to respond to every post.

I've noticed that Gravy doesn't necessarily respond to the same, old, tired, lame, repetitive tinhat posts such as yours, and I don't blame him for that. One can only answer the same old, tired, lame, repetitive tinhat posts so many times before one starts to simply ignore them.
He had time to make a lot of non responsive responses.

Gravy does a darned fine job of calling you and other twoofers on their BS, doesn't he? I quite agree.
Gravy does a fine job of avoiding the substance of this thread.

Did he?
I'm not sure that he did. And whether he did or not, personally, I do not find Mr. Bartmer's account to be internally or externally consistent and I do not find it to be particularly credible as a result.
You are entitled to your opinion.

I don't know that "Craig was a 9/11 hero" as you put it, either before or after his comments, but if he was, he still is. That is irrelevant to the fact that "knowing an explosion when you hear one" hardly supports the conspiracy fantasist view of controlled demolitions, bombs, etc. I do not understand why you think that someone saying there was an "explosion" in a burning building is surprising or unusual, and I certainly do not understand why you think an explosion in a burning building means controlled demolition or pre-planted explosives. It does not.
The 'clap like thunder' along with a shock wave through the building and all the windows blew out sounds a hellofalot like a CD.
Craig heard explosions. It could have been something other than demolition charges, but then, it could have been demolition charges.

Edit to add: And when, oh when, are you ever going to get around to addressing my repeated query about the opportunity to observe of those witnesses whose statements you've unilaterally declared to be inconsistent without ever addressing any of the elements required to make that assessment?
I responded to your question in post # 558
 
Second time: were there any explosions at the WTC on 9/11 that weren't a bomb or a CD?
What part of 'sometimes' don't you understand?


And why did I post it, Chris? I told you why: as an example of an unsubstantiated claim.
Einstein posted Craig Bartmer's video and you response was to infer he was a liar.
This is what you people do to anyone who says something to burst your bubble.
Trash the messenger and ignore the message.
Stephen Jones is a mild mannered Physics Prof. from a very conservative University. He wouldn't be there in the first place if he were a nut or a radical.
You people have slandered him relentlessly, as you do anybody who says something you can't deal with.

Short memory you have. What is it with you people calling anyone who is wrong a liar? Why can't people be mistaken without lying?
Talk to yourself much?
 
Stephen Jones is a mild mannered Physics Prof. from a very conservative University. He wouldn't be there in the first place if he were a nut or a radical.
You people have slandered him relentlessly, as you do anybody who says something you can't deal with.

Talk to yourself much?

huh? So you agree with jones's thoughts on jesus and the mayans?

How about Judy wood? Isn't she worthy of a little ridicule?

How about the 'truth' movement's ridiculing of the 'Official Account'? How bad is it that you people are quite happy to accuse others of corruption, even murder, but start crying when so called 'experts' in your own movement are revealed to be whackjobs?

Chris, you are being lied to every time you visit a CT website or listen to the musings of the CT leaders. Simple as that: THEY are the liars.

But so long as people such as yourself will continue to accept their lies without question, then there is nothing to stop them lying to you.
 
huh? So you agree with jones's thoughts on jesus and the mayans?
I don't know what they are, but thanx for making my point.

How about Judy wood? Isn't she worthy of a little ridicule?
I don't know who she is but thanx for making my point.

How about the 'truth' movement's ridiculing of the 'Official Account'? How bad is it that you people are quite happy to accuse others of corruption, even murder, but start crying when so called 'experts' in your own movement are revealed to be whackjobs?
Good point, but i disagree with your wackjobs evaluation.

Chris, you are being lied to every time you visit a CT website or listen to the musings of the CT leaders. Simple as that: THEY are the liars.
If you believe the official BS story, then all these people would seem liars to you.

But so long as people such as yourself will continue to accept their lies without question, then there is nothing to stop them lying to you.
I came to the conclusion that 9/11 was an inside job on my own.
I found out about these people when i started doing research on 9/11.
 
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