#1 Documentary of All Time!

[Sloe_Bohemian]

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I think you may have misunderstood Aero. I think he was comparing budgets ($5 million vs. $6 million) not opening day box office.

My apologies Aero.

You are correct. I misunderstood what you were trying to say.

 

[Grammatron]

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So you're going to call Jacka** a documentary now? That's laughably pathetic. Also, Jacka** opened in 2509 theaters compared to F9/11's 868. I wouldn't expect you to point that out though since you are determinded to compare apples with oranges.

While I have no clue what point Skeptic is making, F911 is playing in 1725 theaters.

 

[wjousts]

I'm not an authority on what is or isn't a documentary. If you'll go back to my original link, however, you'll see that IMDB calls it a documentary. As does everyone else I can find.

Obviously you didn't look at YOUR OWN LINK since they DO NOT list jackass as a documentary. Neither does any of the various news outlets that have reported F9/11 as being the most successful documentary ever breaking the record held by Moore's BfC.

 

[wjousts]

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While I have no clue what point Skeptic is making, F911 is playing in 1725 theaters.

Read my post. F9/11 OPENED in 868 theathers it is now playing in 1725 according to this .

 

[Snide]

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It will almost certainly pull ahead in the overall domestic box office, but it's not likely to smash Jacka**'s record to dust.

Well, as long as we're nitpicking, how much, in your opinion, would it have to gross for you to consider the metaphor "smashed to dust" fulfilled?

 

[zakur]

Oh, look. Another post about Michael Moore. [yawn]

WTF, Skeptic? You seem to be giving this guy more publicity than his own agent. Let it go, already...

 

[Sloe_Bohemian]

Obviously you didn't look at YOUR OWN LINK since they DO NOT list jackass as a documentary. Neither does any of the various news outlets that have reported F9/11 as being the most successful documentary ever breaking the record held by Moore's BfC.

Yeah, in his first link to IMDB, it is listed in two genres. Comedy and Documentary.

While in his second link to Box Office MOJO, they provide a more comprhensive list of Genres to which Jacka** could be applied and none of them are documentary.
Based On TV Series (Live Action) 24
Comedy - R-Rated Youth 12
Reality TV 2
Sports - Extreme 2

 

[aerocontrols]

Obviously you didn't look at YOUR OWN LINK since they DO NOT list jackass as a documentary. Neither does any of the various news outlets that have reported F9/11 as being the most successful documentary ever breaking the record held by Moore's BfC.

As I said, my first link.

See also these links


It is unsurprising to me that various news outlets would not mention Jacka** as a documentary since F 9/11 is only doing slightly better than Jacka**: The Movie.

Certainly the New York Times has forgotten.

 

[Mr Manifesto]

Oh, look. Another post about Michael Moore. [yawn]

WTF, Skeptic? You seem to be giving this guy more publicity than his own agent. Let it go, already...

If enough people complain about him, no-one will be interested and they'll avoid his movie.

No... Wait...

 

[c0rbin]

You're extremely clever ad hom with suggesting that I am "slow" is in obvious contrast to the suggestion that documentaries should be held to a high standard of truth.

Obvious to whom? I am not making a documentary so the comparison is lost.

Expecially in light of your ability to ignore the lack of those standards in documentaries with which you don't seem to have a grudge.

You seem to be ascribing things to me that I don't recall having ownership of. Which documentaries have I let slide?

My claims (so far) in regards to this thread are as follows:

1) Moore does not make documentaries, he makes op-ed pieces.
2) Moore manipulates circumstances and situations too much for his films to be concidered "documentaries."

Moore loses kudos in my book for allowing the charade of verite that the ill-fitted moniker of "documentary" adds to his films.

This is all from the films of his that I _have_ seen.

As for his writing, I will give the best example that comes to mind. In his book "Stupid White Men", when Moore finaly lists them, it turns out that some are Black, some are women--hell, one is a black woman--and there is even an asian.

Now, like I said, the man does what he does well, but don't sell me stinky shinola and expect me to shine my shoes with it.

 

[Grammatron]

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Read my post. F9/11 OPENED in 868 theathers it is now playing in 1725 according to this .

I read it, but you are talking about how much money f911 made yet you are only looking at opening weekend theater numbers.

 

[corplinx]

But, according to USA today at least, of the top ten grossing documentaries of all time in the US (their "Life" section, 6/28), the only ones to earn more than $10 million are:

a). Fahrenheit 9/11
b). Moore's own "bowling for Columbine"
c). That IMAX smash hit, "Winged Migration", a favorite of ornithologists everywhere ($11 million and change).

I'm sorry. I haved loved all of Mike Moore's films, even Canadian Bacon, but F911 is _not_ a documentary. Once he used the power of the edit to misrepresent different parts of his film, including those that counter his point (like getting congressmen to volunteer their kids); it was no longer a documentary using the dictionary definition but became propaganda (once again, using the dictionary definition).

Sorry, but as the King of Kings (Elvis) said, "that's the way it is".

 

[Sloe_Bohemian]

As I said, my first link.



See also these links


It is unsurprising to me that various news outlets would not mention Jacka** as a documentary since F 9/11 is only doing slightly better than Jacka**: The Movie.

Certainly the New York Times has forgotten.

Now, in the link to Google, much of the hits there are just people having this same argument. Which isn't a source as much as it is a vast stack of more threads like this one. Kind of a circular logic to that.

example snippet: ... blah, blah... Jacka** is stupd... which is why, perhaps, they named their newest creation Jackass: The Movie, instead of Jackass: The Documentary.

 

[Nasarius]

While in his second link to Box Office MOJO, they provide a more comprhensive list of Genres to which Jacka** could be applied and none of them are documentary.

Reality TV

Precisely. There's a difference between Reality TV and documentary. Or do you think that "Survivor" qualifies as documentary too?

 

[aerocontrols]

Now, in the link to Google, much of the hits there are just people having this same argument. Which isn't a source as much as it is a vast stack of more threads like this one. Kind of a circular logic to that.

People arguing that it's not really a documentary?

That sounds like something that's been happening to another film.

 

[Renfield]

Huh? What's your point? It's taken in over $60 million already.

That strikes me as being even more impressive when you consider that number two only made 12 mill. Ah well.

Moore has made some mistakes, but this kind of attack just makes me laugh. I think his critics go so overboard trying to go after him they end up ruining their own credibility.

 

[Renfield]

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including those that counter his point (like getting congressmen to volunteer their kids);

If you think this bit countered his point, then you weren't getting the point.

 

[Sloe_Bohemian]

Obvious to whom? I am not making a documentary so the comparison is lost.

To all. It is obvious to all. Personal attacks and pompous indignation at those who don't live up to a high standard you propose for them are in obvious contrast to all. To all, I say... now refute that if you have the erudition.


Seriously dude. Fill your mouth with feces and spit at the priest because you don't think he's doing mass the way you think it should be done... but don't expect me to think well of you when you do. No one cares if the standards you arbitrarily set were for a documentary at the same time that the personal attack you deliver isn't from a documentary. Your behavior is in contrast to your so-called standards and everyone knows it. Yes, I think it's obvious enough that I can say that.

(snip)... Which documentaries have I let slide?
... (snip)

Since the only documentary you have applied this standard to is F911, then I believe all other documentaries in existence are not being evaluated on this same scale. Although it may be that you simply believe all documentaries in existence have achieved a high level of "truth" and that each one has tried to achieve truth in the fashion you ascribe. Which is the point of my previous posts in which I want to know what "truth" was being pushed in Winged Migration. And as Aero has shown that Jacka** is a documentary... then why don't you explain the high standard of "verity" in that film?

 

[a_unique_person]

Or so Michael Moore claims about "Farenheit 9/11".

But, according to USA today at least, of the top ten grossing documentaries of all time in the US (their "Life" section, 6/28), the only ones to earn more than $10 million are:

a). Fahrenheit 9/11
b). Moore's own "bowling for Columbine"
c). That IMAX smash hit, "Winged Migration", a favorite of ornithologists everywhere ($11 million and change).

I dunno. Apparently becoming the "top grossing documentary of all time" isn't all it's cracked up to be. What it really means is "grossed more than $11 mil, the take for a bottom-level Hollywood flop".

Once more, Moore is telling us significantly less than the whole truth in his rants.

you have brought all your analytical skills to the fore here.

You are comparing the total take of a new film, which will make a lot more money from it's total run, with what are pretty well the final takes from other films. What a maroon.

 

[Mel]

The thing that bothers me is the way people spend time analyzing Moore & don't concentrate on the content of the film itself.

If we shoot the messenger(s) enough times.... will that change ANYTHING the Bush administration has done or not done?