1,800 Studies Later, Scientists Conclude Homeopathy Doesn’t Work

[Pixel42]

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Honesty of regulating & government agencies and of manship(denoting skill in a subject or activity esp. of a competitive nature) i.e of people takeing this treatment. Are you doubting these or not?

I am not doubting the honesty of regulating & government agencies, no. I am doubting the ability of those who take homeopathic remedies to fully understand and correctly assess the scientific evidence against their efficacy, yes.

 

[ddt]

Which deprime me to not end.

I wish I could be deprimed, too. Then maybe I would not end.

When you're deprimed, you still can end, you just get one integer factor you're divisible by.

Please take this in the good humor intended. Those, like you, who communicate so often, so clearly, and so well in a second language impress me to no end. I just found it humorous. And on the off chance it was more than a simple typo, the phrase you are looking for is "Which surprised me to no end."

I think Aepervirus meant "depressed", which would be the meaning of the French verb "deprimer" (AFAIK, French is his mother tongue).

And I second the rest of your footnote, being ESL myself I sometimes struggle to find the right English word and put off posting instead.

 

[ddt]

It has no active ingredients. It's harmless by definition.

The only way homeopathy can do harm is by persuading people to waste their time and money on its remedies when they could be taking medicine that actually works.

It can be harmful in that people turn to a homeopathic quack and forgo actual medicine which could save their lives. Like Dutch actresss/comedian Sylvia Millecam, who had a perfectly treatable case of breast cancer, but instead consulted with various sCAMmers, including one homeopath. By the time she was checked in into an hospital, it was far too late for treatment.

 

[Garrette]

When you're deprimed, you still can end, you just get one integer factor you're divisible by.


I think Aepervirus meant "depressed", which would be the meaning of the French verb "deprimer" (AFAIK, French is his mother tongue).

And I second the rest of your footnote, being ESL myself I sometimes struggle to find the right English word and put off posting instead.

Thanks. I've learned two things in this thread now. The first being that water works no better than water.

 

[steenkh]

It is quite surprising that inspite of these types of meta-studies, how million of people in many part of world are still taking homeopathic treatments and how it is not yet banned?

Explain why it should be banned. Because it is worthless? We do not normally ban things that are worthless.

 

[Kumar]

Explain why it should be banned. Because it is worthless? We do not normally ban things that are worthless.

Refer Post #23 by ddt.

 

[Kumar]

True. Which is why those who promote homeopathy in the face of the overwhelming evidence against its efficacy should be ashamed of themselves.


As has been pointed out to you even smoking has not yet been banned, despite ample proof that it is harmful. Likewise alcohol. In most countries people are reasonably free to do as they wish as long as they harm no-one else. Attempts to force people to act in their own best interest are usually derided as imposing a "nanny state".

These are different & self harmful substances.

But homeopathy being full healing system with mass presence, if ineffective in A&F as you calculate, can also be harmful to others.

 

[Kumar]

I am not doubting the honesty of regulating & government agencies, no. I am doubting the ability of those who take homeopathic remedies to fully understand and correctly assess the scientific evidence against their efficacy, yes.

Refer post #23 by ddt.

No you are doubting as under:-

1. Doubting Integrity of Regulating, Government and other Competent agencies.

2. Doubting Integrity of well educated(at par) Homeopaths.

3. Doubting the proving & Integrity of Patients.

4. Doubting Hospitals & Regular Colleges of Homeopathy.

5. Discouraging the homeopathic medical students, studying homeopathy at par to med science, doing lot of hard work by spending lot of time.

6. Doubting & discouraging Homeopathic pharmacies.

7. Doubting the positive controlled studies.

8. Others.

Is it appropriate option.

For science & humanity, you should try best to know its science so that millions can be benefitted due to least direct side effects.

 

[Kumar]

Moreover, I do not say or suggest that limitations and cautions should not be kept while accepting any yet unproven or yet not A&F healing agent or system in science.

 

[Jrrarglblarg]

I'm with your #7, sir, as No such studies exist that demonstrate homeopathic efficacy in any degree whatever.

 

[Belz...]

1,800 Studies Later, Scientists Conclude Homeopathy Doesn’t Work

I'm shocked.

 

[Pixel42]

1. Doubting Integrity of Regulating, Government and other Competent agencies.

No, I don't doubt their integrity. I don't think the ignorant and gullible should be prevented from wasting their money on worthless remedies. It's a free country, and it's their money. It is not any government's job to stop its citizens wasting their money.

2. Doubting Integrity of well educated(at par) Homeopaths.

No one who is well educated will become, or remain, a homeopath if they have any integrity.

3. Doubting the proving & Integrity of Patients.

Patients are usually too gullible, rather than lacking in integrity.

4. Doubting Hospitals & Regular Colleges of Homeopathy.

Absolutely. They're either wilfully ignorant or deliberately scamming.

. 5. Discouraging the homeopathic medical students, studying homeopathy at par to med science, doing lot of hard work by spending lot of time.

Absolutely. They're wasting time that could be usefully spent studying types of medicine that actually work.

6. Doubting & discouraging Homeopathic pharmacies.

Absolutely. Selling homeopathic remedies as if they were proven effective gives a false impression.

. Doubting the positive controlled studies.

A few false positives are to be expected, especially when studies are small scale and not well conducted.

For science & humanity, you should try best to know its science so that millions can be benefitted due to least direct side effects.

Millions can be benefitted by being educated about the uselessness of homeopathy. That's what I'm doing, in my own small way.

 

[Giordano]

Refer post #23 by ddt.

No you are doubting as under:-

1. Doubting Integrity of Regulating, Government and other Competent agencies.

2. Doubting Integrity of well educated(at par) Homeopaths.

3. Doubting the proving & Integrity of Patients.

4. Doubting Hospitals & Regular Colleges of Homeopathy.

5. Discouraging the homeopathic medical students, studying homeopathy at par to med science, doing lot of hard work by spending lot of time.

6. Doubting & discouraging Homeopathic pharmacies.

7. Doubting the positive controlled studies.

8. Others.

Is it appropriate option.

For science & humanity, you should try best to know its science so that millions can be benefitted due to least direct side effects.

I have found this to be a very enlightening quote in many circumstances:

“It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it.” ― Upton Sinclair

Kumar, don't you work as a homeopath?

 

[Kumar]

No, I don't doubt their integrity. I don't think the ignorant and gullible should be prevented from wasting their money on worthless remedies. It's a free country, and it's their money. It is not any government's job to stop its citizens wasting their money.

No one who is well educated will become, or remain, a homeopath if they have any integrity.

Patients are usually too gullible, rather than lacking in integrity.

Absolutely. They're either wilfully ignorant or deliberately scamming.


Absolutely. They're wasting time that could be usefully spent studying types of medicine that actually work.


Absolutely. Selling homeopathic remedies as if they were proven effective gives a false impression.


A few false positives are to be expected, especially when studies are small scale and not well conducted.


Millions can be benefitted by being educated about the uselessness of homeopathy. That's what I'm doing, in my own small way.

How then, many medicines are withdrawn if found ineffective on field applications?

 

[Kumar]

I have found this to be a very enlightening quote in many circumstances:

“It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it.” ― Upton Sinclair

Kumar, don't you work as a homeopath?

No I am not but I also use this therapy along with others and I am quite comfortable though not in age related and A&F sense.

 

[Kumar]

No, I don't doubt their integrity. I don't think the ignorant and gullible should be prevented from wasting their money on worthless remedies. It's a free country, and it's their money. It is not any government's job to stop its citizens wasting their money.

No one who is well educated will become, or remain, a homeopath if they have any integrity.

Patients are usually too gullible, rather than lacking in integrity.

Absolutely. They're either wilfully ignorant or deliberately scamming.


Absolutely. They're wasting time that could be usefully spent studying types of medicine that actually work.


Absolutely. Selling homeopathic remedies as if they were proven effective gives a false impression.


A few false positives are to be expected, especially when studies are small scale and not well conducted.


Millions can be benefitted by being educated about the uselessness of homeopathy. That's what I'm doing, in my own small way.

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I am the best--it is self confidence but I am the ONLY best--it is ego.

This study is not A&F in study and in observations. Read Limitation part.

5 apples on a naturally growing apple tree, 20 apples on an organically grown tree and 100 apples on an inorganically grown tress, do not make apple tree as a wild non fruiting tree. Moreover there can be difference in taste & nutrients.

 

[Little 10 Toes]

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I am the best--it is self confidence but I am the ONLY best--it is ego.

This study is not A&F in study and in observations. Read Limitation part.

5 apples on a naturally growing apple tree, 20 apples on an organically grown tree and 100 apples on an inorganically grown tress, do not make apple tree as a wild non fruiting tree. Moreover there can be difference in taste & nutrients.

Please point out the limitations.

 

[TheGoldcountry]

I've seen some of the "Dana Ullman" comments. They were claiming that it was important to not dismiss "small" studies in favor of larger ones. Really? REALLY? Hint hint: if it only appears in a SMALL study but DISappears in a LARGE one, then it's probably a statistical fluke or error. REAL effects don't shrink with more data. They only become ever more and more sharply clear and distinct.

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The Andrew Wakefield School of Medical Research.

 

[Pixel42]

How then, many medicines are withdrawn if found ineffective on field applications?

My answer to that question has not changed since the last time you asked it.

 

[Kumar]

Please point out the limitations.

Already pointed out.