1,600 verified architectural and engineering professionals

[Marokkaan]

They completed, and published, their detailed technical reports, as they were mandated to do by the U.S. Congress, several years ago.It's too bad the eight times as many "verified architectural and engineering professionals" haven't bothered to start on any of their own. I guess they don't care, or maybe Gage is paying them not to as I suggested before.

That sounds really frustrating. I'm a fan of some sports teams. Sometimes they win, and sometimes they lose, and I still support them either way. But they do always show up for every game. If they ever just stopped showing up to play, for five entire seasons, the way AE911t has, I'd certainly have run out of patience with them by now, and moved on.

To continue supporting AE911t after years of having all those verified professionals who support your cause, yet do nothing -- wow, your patience is very impressive indeed.

Respectfully,
Myriad

Do you maybe have a link to see the technical articles of the 200 experts?

 

[ozeco41]

So I see the resident troll dragged out age old BS concerning Dr. Quintiere. You guys fell for it. score one for him.

You have to score this thread as a win for the troll. No matter where he dodges, no matter how ridiculous his claims, people follow him.

...and he puts them on ignore???? There's something backwards about that methinks.

 

[Grizzly Bear]

And then for good measure we have:


Something that has been provided for him that he continually ignores instead relying on his list of interior designers or whatever it is. This guy is absolutely the king of irony.

In my first thread exchanges with him he often had problems with responding to my arguments by warping their wording or meaning. This is nothing new with him

 

[Myriad]

Do you maybe have a link to see the technical articles of the 200 experts?

No, their technical work (which as you already know is not in the form of "articles" but rather chapters and sections of the report they were mandated to prepare) is not the topic here (and I'm sure you already know where to find it anyhow). The topic I'm addressing is the complete lack of any technical work by the 1,600 verified architectural and engineering professioansl under discussion.

How can this lack of productivity be explained? What's the point of organizing engineers if they're not using their engineering expertise to do anything? What's the point of organizing architects if they're not using their architectural expertise to do anything? How long are you planning to continue to support them, on the off-chance they might change their minds someday? How long do you think the organization will continue to disappoint you, before that happens?

Respectfully,
Myriad

 

[Marokkaan]

No, their technical work (which as you already know is not in the form of "articles" but rather chapters and sections of the report they were mandated to prepare) is not the topic here (and I'm sure you already know where to find it anyhow). The topic I'm addressing is the complete lack of any technical work by the 1,600 verified architectural and engineering professioansl under discussion.

How can this lack of productivity be explained? What's the point of organizing engineers if they're not using their engineering expertise to do anything? What's the point of organizing architects if they're not using their architectural expertise to do anything? How long are you planning to continue to support them, on the off-chance they might change their minds someday? How long do you think the organization will continue to disappoint you, before that happens?

Respectfully,
Myriad

Ok no technical articles. uhhh so you can show to me the 200 experts worked out the chapters

 

[TheRedWorm]

Hey Maro, 1600 people signed a petition... SO WHAT!??!?

 

[Myriad]

Ok no technical articles. uhhh so you can show to me the 200 experts worked out the chapters

Sorry, that's still not the topic of this thread, which is the "1,600 verified architectural and engineering professionals" who have supposedly signed AE911t's petition.

I'm still looking for your explanation for why they haven't bothered to do any professional-level technical work of their own. One possibility that I've suggested is that Gage could be paying them not to. Do you agree or disagree? If you agree, then why do you think he's doing that? If you disagree, then what do you think the real reason for their complete inertia is?

Another possibility is that even though there are supposedly 1,600 of them, they do not have sufficient engineering and architecture expertise among them to do the technical work to present their case to their peers in a professional format. Do you like that idea better?

The thing is, the lack of a peer-reviewed paper or any other document presenting their case in a professional technical manner is undeniable fact. You agree that it does not exist, or else you would be showing that it does instead of repeatedly trying to change the subject. So there must be some reason for that. What is it?

Respectfully,
Myriad

 

[EventHorizon]

They completed, and published, their detailed technical reports, as they were mandated to do by the U.S. Congress, several years ago.

It's too bad the eight times as many "verified architectural and engineering professionals" haven't bothered to start on any of their own. I guess they don't care, or maybe Gage is paying them not to as I suggested before.

That sounds really frustrating. I'm a fan of some sports teams. Sometimes they win, and sometimes they lose, and I still support them either way. But they do always show up for every game. If they ever just stopped showing up to play, for five entire seasons, the way AE911t has, I'd certainly have run out of patience with them by now, and moved on.

To continue supporting AE911t after years of having all those verified professionals who support your cause, yet do nothing -- wow, your patience is very impressive indeed.

Respectfully,
Myriad

So Marokkaan is basically like an Islander fan.

 

[Marokkaan]

Sorry, that's still not the topic of this thread, which is the "1,600 verified architectural and engineering professionals" who have supposedly signed AE911t's petition.I'm still looking for your explanation for why they haven't bothered to do any professional-level technical work of their own. One possibility that I've suggested is that Gage could be paying them not to. Do you agree or disagree? If you agree, then why do you think he's doing that? If you disagree, then what do you think the real reason for their complete inertia is?

Another possibility is that even though there are supposedly 1,600 of them, they do not have sufficient engineering and architecture expertise among them to do the technical work to present their case to their peers in a professional format. Do you like that idea better?

The thing is, the lack of a peer-reviewed paper or any other document presenting their case in a professional technical manner is undeniable fact. You agree that it does not exist, or else you would be showing that it does instead of repeatedly trying to change the subject. So there must be some reason for that. What is it?

Respectfully,
Myriad

Nice dodge

Strange you replied two times about it, but now you dont want to talk about it anymore

 

[DGM]

You have to score this thread as a win for the troll. No matter where he dodges, no matter how ridiculous his claims, people follow him.

...and he puts them on ignore???? There's something backwards about that methinks.

I agree. But in my defense, I mock, I don't respond.

 

[ergo]

Sorry, that's still not the topic of this thread, which is the "1,600 verified architectural and engineering professionals" who have supposedly signed AE911t's petition.

I'm still looking for your explanation for why they haven't bothered to do any professional-level technical work of their own.

It's okay. Scott Sommers has trouble with links too.

 

[Myriad]

Strange you replied two times about it, but now you dont want to talk about it anymore

But I do want to talk about the "1,600 verified architectural and engineering professionals" who have supposedly signed AE911t's petition. I note, again, that while the value of the group is supposedly in their engineering and architectural expertise, they have not used this expertise in any way to advance their cause.

There has to be a reason for that. Is Gage paying them not to? Do they do not, despite the grandiose claims made for the importance of their claims, actually possess sufficient engineering and architecture expertise among them to do the technical work to present their case to their peers in a professional format?

Frustration with their years of complete inaction is certainly understandable. They say they have the keys but they won't unlock any doors for you. And all you can do is fund them and wait, wheels spinning and helpless, in case they someday change their minds, which they may never do. Without their expertise your cause can go nowhere, and yet, they're withholding it from you.

It's a painful dilemma to be in. I can completely understand someone in that position not wanting to comment on it.

Respectfully,
Myriad

 

[Drudgewire]

Why has NO TRUTHER been able to do anything like this? Why has NO ONE at A&E911Truth been able to PUBLISH in this journal? Why has Richard Gage not written one single whitepaper? Why is there NOT ONE single 9/11 Truth related paper / article in ANY of these:

They're all edited by Michael Chertoff's cousins. Duh.

 

[ergo]

But we're really impressed about the length of the list. It took a small Finnish coastal town a bit under two weeks to gather 1600 of names in a petition to save a youth center. In the connection of an event that shaped the history of the early 2000s probably more than any other, the global powerhouse that is AE911 did that in 10 years. Break out the bubbly!

Weird. When I add 1,605 and 13,337, I get 14,942. And that, of course, doesn't include all the people who support what AETruth is doing but for one reason or another haven't yet signed that petition, such as myself.

NYC CAN's 2009 ballot initiative gathered 80,000 signatures of New Yorkers alone. I'd love to see bedunkers gather that many signatures in the entire country.

 

[Myriad]

It's okay. Scott Sommers has trouble with links too.

Is that the kind of trouble you think the 1,600 verified architectural and engineering professionals of AE911t are having, in doing (or rather, not doing) any architectural or engineering work to support Gage's theories or the struggle to overwrite the consensual historical narrative of 9/11? Could "trouble with links" be the reason they've produced no technical work reflecting architectural or engineering expertise in years?

Respectfully,
Myriad

 

[Marokkaan]

But I do want to talk about the "1,600 verified architectural and engineering professionals" who have supposedly signed AE911t's petition. I note, again, that while the value of the group is supposedly in their engineering and architectural expertise, they have not used this expertise in any way to advance their cause.

There has to be a reason for that. Is Gage paying them not to? Do they do not, despite the grandiose claims made for the importance of their claims, actually possess sufficient engineering and architecture expertise among them to do the technical work to present their case to their peers in a professional format?

Frustration with their years of complete inaction is certainly understandable. They say they have the keys but they won't unlock any doors for you. And all you can do is fund them and wait, wheels spinning and helpless, in case they someday change their minds, which they may never do. Without their expertise your cause can go nowhere, and yet, they're withholding it from you.

It's a painful dilemma to be in. I can completely understand someone in that position not wanting to comment on it.

Respectfully,
Myriad

Uhhh yeah it must be the frustration or something like that

But we can conclude, you can not show what the 200 "experts" did , in fact i even doubt you know something about the tasks they got from the leading team.

So you are asking articles, but you can not even show them from the NIST experts.

So whats your point then?

 

[ergo]

Is that the kind of trouble you think the 1,600 verified architectural and engineering professionals of AE911t are having, in doing (or rather, not doing) any architectural or engineering work to support Gage's theories or the struggle to overwrite the consensual historical narrative of 9/11? Could "trouble with links" be the reason they've produced no technical work reflecting architectural or engineering expertise in years?

No, the trouble with links seems to belong to you folks. The link I posted lists a number of technical articles as to why the officially endorsed WTC collapse explanations are bunk.

 

[Childlike Empress]

Is that the kind of trouble you think the 1,600 verified architectural and engineering professionals of AE911t are having, in doing (or rather, not doing) any architectural or engineering work to support Gage's theories or the struggle to overwrite the consensual historical narrative of 9/11? Could "trouble with links" be the reason they've produced no technical work reflecting architectural or engineering expertise in years?

Respectfully,
Myriad

Be patient, Myriad. After that giant "inside job" sign on the moon is finished, they will come to the JREF forum and finally hit you over the head with it. It's already a bit of a running joke that "a myriad" of people can't see it. The ritualized answer is "so what? think of the environment".

 

[Marokkaan]

Is that the kind of trouble you think the 1,600 verified architectural and engineering professionals of AE911t are having, in doing (or rather, not doing) any architectural or engineering work to support Gage's theories or the struggle to overwrite the consensual historical narrative of 9/11? Could "trouble with links" be the reason they've produced no technical work reflecting architectural or engineering expertise in years?

Respectfully,
Myriad

Ow my.. you didnt even clicked on the link...

 

[Myriad]

Weird. When I add 1,605 and 13,337, I get 14,942. And that, of course, doesn't include all the people who support what AETruth is doing but for one reason or another haven't yet signed that petition, such as myself.

Doesn't that make the lack of any effective action by AE911t even harder to explain? What is your explanation for that, by the way?

Now you have to explain not only 1,600 verified architectural and engineering professionals who refuse to do any professional-quality architecture or engineering work to support their own cause. You also have to explain another 13,000 people who support them and yet don't seem to think it's very urgent or important for the 1,600 verified architectural and engineering professionals, whom they support and fund, to go ahead and do the professional-quality architecture or engineering work needed to support their case. Why are they silent? Isn't their inexhaustible patience, while perhaps commendable, clearly counterproductive?

NYC CAN's 2009 ballot initiative gathered 80,000 signatures of New Yorkers alone.

Now that you mention it, those 80,000 people also seem to be awfully sanguine about having been deceived into supporting a measure that was blatantly illegal and unconstitutional. Do you think they'll be as trusting the next time around (if there even is a next time)?

I'd love to see bedunkers gather that many signatures in the entire country.

You'd love to see debunkers indulge in the same kinds of feckless gestures that 9/11 conspiracists used to? Why is that? If you think it's so effective, then why would you want debunkers to do it, since you disagree with them? You aren't trying to trick them into just wasting their time, are you?

Respectfully,
Myriad