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Scott Sommers said:
I have Marokkan on ignore so I can't see what he's saying. I can only presume he's asking for more proof that most AE911T signatories have little relevant experience. Fortunately, that's easy to provide. Some of them are so pathetic, it's comical. Honestly, if you had read through the qiualifications of some of these guys, you'd stop quoting AE911 as experts.

Dohn C. Swedberg
I still maintain my license to practice though I am semi-retired at this time.

Jeffry H. Shelden
Working in rural Montana on custom homes, historic preservation and main street business

Lamont L. Langworthy
Sixty years practice in seven states. Commercial, multi-family, residential, modular.

Leslie Simons
Landscape architect who immediately suspected foul play.

Mark Chavez
Started with the National Park Service in 1984 as a Historical Architect (preservation). Still with the NPS.

Peter M. Scaglione
I am a Builder Architect with over 35 years of hands on experience. This experience includes both timber construction to pour concrete. I have been a heavy equipment operator -crane, transit mixer,batching plant to basic house building.

Something I discovered while reading the list is that only a few of the signatories are both degreed and licensed architects. Some portion of the architects are "Degreed Only" and have no building design experience or even any experience that's at all related. For example,

Beverly White Spicer
Editor, photojournalist, artist, cartoonist and
author of two books.
Professional work history: research and communications:
Research Assoc, Physiological Psychology, UVA Research Analyst, U. S. Geological Survey
Assistant to the Publisher, TX Monthly Magazine
Programming Associate, PBS Station KLRU-TV
Photographer and photojournalist
E-Bits Editor, The Digital Journalist
General Editor, The Santiago Times
Earthsky Communications Radio blogger

Dave Kunz
M.S. Financial Management, Naval Postgraduate School, Monterey CA; Captain, Civil Engineer Corps, U.S.Navy (Retired); Commander, European Branch, Naval Facilities Engineering Command, Naples, IT; Resident Officer in Charge of Construction(ROICC), Norfolk Naval Shipyard, Norfolk, VA; Design Officer, Navy Projects, Republic of Vietnam; Publics Works Officer/ ROICC, Naval Air Station, Beeville, TX;

Gary J. Neville
Educated at RPI and UCLA. Real Estate Developer and Urban Designer in Venice California.
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Hey, you left off the Great High Poobah.

Richard Gage
Podunk Vocational School of Cookin' and Sewin'. Masters in PowerPoint Slide Clicking.
Two year certificate course at the Acme Academy of Cardboard Carton Stacking.
Holder of Wil-E-Coyote Chair in Blowing Things Up, Falling Off of Cliffs and Running into Canyon Walls, Burbank University.
Consulting Editor "Everything I know About Physics I Learned From Watching Tom & Jerry". DRGriffin Press, 2009.
 
Given that 10% of any group of persons suffer some mental abherartion or personality disorder from mild sociopathy to outright schizophrenia, and given the number of persons with some title at all related to construction or design of buildings in the world, given the age of many of the signatories of little Dickie's petition, given the tendancy of lunatics to flock to a site which they have heard caters for their mental quirks, what do you figure the chances are that some number of them are actually just batcrap crazy?
 
leftysergeant said:
Given that 10% of any group of persons suffer some mental abherartion or personality disorder from mild sociopathy to outright schizophrenia, and given the number of persons with some title at all related to construction or design of buildings in the world, given the age of many of the signatories of little Dickie's petition, given the tendancy of lunatics to flock to a site which they have heard caters for their mental quirks, what do you figure the chances are that some number of them are actually just batcrap crazy?
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I honestly don't see how anybody with an IQ above cottage cheese can think the :rule10: that they think.

I mean, really. Controlled Demolition?!?!

DID YOU NOT SEE THE AIRPLANES!?!?!
 
Grizzly Bear said:
Yes, and I highlight it because it's humiliating to 911 truth to lose even to that pathetic game. Reality is beyond putting names on an Internet humiliation bill board they've made no headway. Hey, I'm sorry you have a problem with that, but reality is harsh for you. As it is for all of 911 truth




I can say the same thing to you[\quote]

Done already. Building codes have already been revised. Your experts have made no effort to protest the conclusions in part where they would matter the
Most. Further, no competent professional would knowingly make mistakes such as equating a skyscraper to a cardboard box
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Oh I think they have made headway, more people are becoming aware everyday. More and more people are asking questions.

I'll ask you again building codes were revised based on what? The numbers NIST won't release?

I know what you're going through, you are being confronted with evidence that contradicts 9/11 and therefore contradicts your world view. You are trying to rationalize it, but on a subconscience level you can't. So your response is anger, anger towards the person who is showing you these things. Namely me. You have misplaced anger and you are directing it towards me. This is understandable. I would suggest directing your anger at the people who did 9/11. While I always had questions about that day I do have an idea of what you are going through I was somewhat angry(at the wrong people) and tried rationalizing, and than one day it just clicked. Hopefully you will get there soon.
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bill smith said:
That was a big jump in the last few weeks.
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Not really, when the barrier for signing up is so damn low.

Oh, and when they don't check up on those names OR what their professions are. Remember, a good number of them don't tell.
 
tmd2_1 said:
Oh, you mean all the changes based on the numbers NIST won't release right?
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Yes, in fact.

The very same NIST that has been awarded three Nobel Prizes.

How many of your 1600 have been recognized with three Nobels?

How about two?

No? How about one?

Hmmmmmm...
 
tmd2_1 said:
Oh I think they have made headway, more people are becoming aware everyday. More and more people are asking questions.
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Please specify. What has AE911truth accomplished in the last few years? Surely, if you think the NIST's recommended code changes for the IBC are frivolous, your experts should have something to say to the engineering community about it. Have they actually protested these?

tmd2_1 said:
I'll ask you again building codes were revised based on what? The numbers NIST won't release?
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The following recommendations set forth by the NIST report on the WTC collapses represent a few examples of the changes that were adopted by the International Building codes in 2007:

  • An additional exit stairway for buildings more than 420 feet in height.
  • A minimum of one fire service access elevator for buildings more than 120 feet in height.
  • Increased bond strength for fireproofing (nearly three times greater than currently required for buildings 75-420 feet in height and seven times greater for buildings more than 420 feet in height).
  • Field installation requirements for fireproofing to ensure that:
    - installation complies with the manufacturer's instructions;
    - the substrates (surfaces being fireproofed) are clean and free of any condition that prevents adhesion;
    - testing is conducted to demonstrate that required adhesion is maintained for primed, painted or encapsulated steel surfaces; and
    - the finished condition of the installed fireproofing, upon complete drying or curing, does not exhibit cracks, voids, spalls, delamination or any exposure of the substrate.
    - Special field inspections of fireproofing to ensure that its as-installed thickness, density and bond strength meet specified requirements, and that a bonding agent is applied when the bond strength is less than required due to the effect of a primed, painted or encapsulated steel surface. The inspections are to be performed after the rough installation of mechanical, electrical, plumbing, sprinkler and ceiling systems.
    - Increasing by one hour the fire-resistance rating of structural components and assemblies in buildings 420 feet and higher. (This change was approved in a prior edition of the code.)
    - Explicit adoption of the "structural frame" approach to fire resistance ratings that requires all members of the primary structural frame to have the higher fire resistance rating commonly required for columns. The primary structural frame includes the columns, other structural members including the girders, beams, trusses, and spandrels having direct connections to the columns, and bracing members designed to carry gravity loads.
    - Luminous markings delineating the exit path (including vertical exit enclosures and passageways) in buildings more than 75 feet in height to facilitate rapid egress and full building evacuation.

Perhaps with your denial that buildings can collapse due to fire, you can explain what AE911truth has done to address these recommendations - clearly based on supposedly frivolous engineering cover up -and show that the conclusions should not have been accepted by the general architecture and engineering community.

tmd2_1 said:
I know what you're going through, you are being confronted with evidence that contradicts 9/11 and therefore contradicts your world view. <snip>
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You took the time to describe me as a disgruntled internet surfer when you could've used that time more productively to show us some actual accomplishments that your favorite movement has brought to the table - a resume if you will.
That resume - I must say - is looking unsurprisingly blank... being that you would rather avoid the technical details of the debate. May I ask why you chose to this route; surely you must have a good reason.
 
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ergo said:
Sword_Of_Truth said:
3.5 million+ engineers from the US, Canada and Europe.
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Argument from assumed majority. False.
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Ignorance and arrogance are a fatal combination.

AE911T and the rest of the usual gang of idiots assume that all engineers support the official story.

If this were not the case there would be nothing special about publicly stating the contrary as they do by signing the AE911T petition.

By making a big deal of those who signed Gages petition, you clearly imply and acknowledge that by signing, they set themselves apart from the norm.
 
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What Did and Did Not Cause Collapse of the WTC Twin Towers in New York Journal of Engineering Mechanics ASCE, vol. 134 (2008), in press. Zdenek P. Bazant, Jia-Liang Le, Frank R. Greening and David B. Benson

Why has NO TRUTHER been able to do anything like this? Why has NO ONE at A&E911Truth been able to PUBLISH in this journal? Why has Richard Gage not written one single whitepaper? Why is there NOT ONE single 9/11 Truth related paper / article in ANY of these:

Journal of the American Chemical Society
Angewandte Chemie
Chemical Communications
Chemical Reviews
Accounts of Chemical Research
Chemistry - A European Journal
Chemistry Letters
Bulletin of the Chemical Society of Japan
Helvetica Chimica Acta
Canadian Journal of Chemistry
Acta Crystallographica-- parts A, B
Advances in Physics
American Journal of Physics
Journal of Physics - parts A-D, G
Nature Physics
New Journal of Physics
Physical Review - parts A-E and Physical Review Letters
Reports on Progress in Physics
Philosophical Transactions of the Royal Society
Advances in Production Engineering & Management
Annual Review of Biomedical Engineering
Fluid Phase Equilibria
Industrial & Engineering Chemistry Research
International Journal of Functional Informatics and Personalized Medicine
Journal of Environmental Engineering
Journal of Hydrologic Engineering
Journal of the IEST
NASA Tech Briefs
The Post Office Electrical Engineers' Journal
Radioelectronics and Communications Systems
Advanced Materials
Advanced Composite Materials
Advanced Functional Materials
JOM
Journal of Electronic Materials
Light Metal Age
Materials Today
Metallurgical and Materials Transactions
Nature Materials
Science and Technology of Advanced Materials
Computational Materials Science
 
Marokkaan said:
Sword_Of_Truth said:
There have been numerous peer reviewed works detailing how fire and aircraft impacts took down the WTC towers.

Your 1600 idiots, incompetents and unqualified laypersons are still stubbornly holding at ZERO.

And they will stay there forever.
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Are you trying to lie, that nist had peer reviewed articles or research? LOL
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Where in that post is s/he referring to NIST? It's about peer reviewed works. Got any? Nobody's going to take you seriously until you got something.
 
laca said:
Where in that post is s/he referring to NIST?
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We are dealing with people who like to see things that aren't there.

It's about peer reviewed works. Got any?
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He doesn't, he knows it.

This is why he is trying to create the impression that NIST is the only game in town.

They do it for the same reason the cry "no plane hit WTC7". They don't want you to know that there are other scientists outside NIST for the same reasons they don't want you you to know that a falling skyscraper hit WTC7.

The 9/11 truth movement is all about hiding the truth. They don't want you to know everything about what happened on 9/11 because they don't trust you to make the decision they want.

So Ergo, TMD, Marokkan, Redibis and the others, they hand you only the tidbits and half-truths they want you to have and desperately try to conceal the rest bwhile insisting that they are better than the government/illuminati/jews.
 
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