Transwomen are not Women - Part 15

From Newman vs Metropolitan Police employment tribunal

Minutes from LGTB+ community engagement group - SO15 (counter-terrorism) are keeping an eye on TERFs but haven't found any evidence of wrong-doing.
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A recent US study using a retrospective matched cohort design that analyzed over 107k medical records from patients with a diagnoses of gender dysphoria found that "those undergoing surgery were at significantly higher risk for depression, anxiety, suicidal ideation, and substance use disorders than those without surgery".

Of course this is not an RCT (but nor are any studies cited in support of the efficacy of gender-affirming treatment). The conclusions correctly use the term 'associated with' rather than 'causing' poorer mental health. However, when designs that cannot establish causation show apparent associations between medical transition and positive outcomes, the interpretation is always framed as causal. Interestingly the conclusions are still that medical transition is beneficial (because it affirms identity) and the results must be attributed to inadequate mental health support following surgery.
 
Elaedith said:
A recent US study using a retrospective matched cohort design that analyzed over 107k medical records from patients with a diagnoses of gender dysphoria found that "those undergoing surgery were at significantly higher risk for depression, anxiety, suicidal ideation, and substance use disorders than those without surgery".

Of course this is not an RCT (but nor are any studies cited in support of the efficacy of gender-affirming treatment). The conclusions correctly use the term 'associated with' rather than 'causing' poorer mental health. However, when designs that cannot establish causation show apparent associations between medical transition and positive outcomes, the interpretation is always framed as causal. Interestingly the conclusions are still that medical transition is beneficial (because it affirms identity) and the results must be attributed to inadequate mental health support following surgery.
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If we could get a general agreement that transition is intended to be a treatment for a mental health issue, that would be a major shift.

If we had that consensus, the proper response to fiat self-ID would be "get help", not "whatever you say, man."
 
Emily's Cat said:
I have a gripe, and I'm going to impose it on all of you.

...now I have to *deselect* nudity being shown in the game while also being force-fed the notion that humans are Mr. Potato Head with plug and play parts available in any combination you can imagine.
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I don't remember if this was already shared upthread, but Mary Harrington coined a phrase you might enjoy.
 
Aber said:
From Newman vs Metropolitan Police employment tribunal

Minutes from LGTB+ community engagement group - SO15 (counter-terrorism) are keeping an eye on TERFs but haven't found any evidence of wrong-doing.
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I'd like to know the names of these "anti-trans" organisations that are getting all that money. Because as far as I can see the entire feminist gender critical movement is surviving on selling badges and crowdfunders, with Jo Rowling occasionally chipping in.
 
Manopolus said:
Well, it shows that the whole damn thing is concocted by FOX News, mostly.
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Wrong. There are many other news outlets the world over, including some that are centre left, who are not on board with TRAs

Manopolus said:
Most of the applicable instances are cases where the person isn't even trans.
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Wrong again. The vast majority on those pointed out by Emily's Cat are TIMs playing girly dressup to compete against women

Manopolus said:
It's basically just some loser prankster that wants to make a point. But the point isn't meaningful if there weren't losers trying to make a point.
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Wrong.

This has happened only in a couple of cases. Do you think "Lia" Thomas was just pranking. How about "Kate" Weatherly? "Laurel" Hubbard? "Alana" Smith?, "Nikki" Hiltz? "Chelsea" Wolfe? "Valentina" Petrillo? "Fallon" Fox?

Pranksters?

Manopolus said:
The movement is growing primarily out of the fearmongering, itself, which came BEFORE the actual cases. The mass reporting/brainwashing push began in response to the fairly vague DoE changes, not actual cases.
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You call it fearmongering, I call it a reasoned position leading to accurate prediction. Those in the UK and Europe in the 1930s who warned about Germany and predicted war within a decade were labelled as fearmongers too... how about now?

The things that were predicted, have actually happened.

Manopolus said:
Actual trans people that want to participate in sports are even more rare than trans people. Filter out people who aren't particularly good at it, and you're approaching near zero.
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This is utterly irrelevant. How rare does an injustice or a wrong have to be, before it becomes OK? In my worldview, if one single female athlete is denied selection for a team, or a promotion in rankings, or a playing contract on account of a male cosplaying as a woman, then that is wrong.

If a woman, or women, are placed in physical danger on account of the fact there is a male competing against them, then that is also wrong.

Manopolus said:
The primary people that really need to be eliminated are the pranksters egged on by FOX. So let's at least be honest about it and not call out the trannies when it's really the pranksters that are the primary problem.
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This is wrong. You are completely out of touch with sporting reality.

Manopolus said:
The way you hear FOX talk about it, you'd think that all trans people are superior athletes... that's not even close to the case
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It does matter - they only have to be competitively superior to ONE woman, and that woman is pushed down the ladder

But of course, its not just one is it?


C. Opportunity for fair and safe competition​
11. Policies implemented by international federations and national governing bodies, along with national legislation in some countries, allow males who identify as women to compete in female sports categories. In other cases, this practice is not explicitly prohibited and is thus tolerated in practice. ​
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According to information received, by 30 March 2024, over 600 female athletes in more than 400 competitions have lost more than 890 medals in 29 different sports​
 
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Ziggurat said:
And was "Lia" Thomas just a prankster? Because I don't think he was.
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I don't even have a clue who that is. It's a side effect of not giving a crap about sports.

And don't get me wrong. I did play sports when I was young, and wasn't even terrible. It's watching sports that I've never had much use for. I'm also not supportive of the ridiculous amounts of money involved in something so frivolous. It's effectively just plain ol' hero worship... definitely not my thing.

Anyway. Guess I'm done with this thread... was sort of transferred here from a merged thread, anyway.

Most of my opinions on the matter (to the degree they exist at all) come from the fact that only one side of the political divide is even talking about the issue. It's not even a disagreement -- it's uproar on one side and mostly silence on the other. That usually means it's a non-issue that is being used primarily as an outrage fabricator, but that doesn't really leave me with much to say or know about it. I'm an expert on neither sports nor trannies.
 
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Burn the lot of them.

www.spiked-online.com

Predators are hiding behind Pride

LGBT groups are blind to the wrong ’uns in their midst.
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wingsoverscotland.com

The plainest sight

You know what, Surrey Live, we think you’re probably right. We DO think people will remember him.
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The article below is free to read this weekend. The convicted paedophile is the man who founded LGBT Youth Scotland. He was convicted in 2010. The organisation still exists, is still lavishly funded by the Scottish government, and is still pushing trans ideology on children.

www.thetimes.com

Our friend, the man who abused our child

There are evenings when a task as innocent as reading a bedtime story to Billy, her six-year-old son, can prove too much for Maggie Reilly*. “I remember trying Roald Dahl’s The Witches,” she says
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Manopolus said:
Most of my opinions on the matter (to the degree they exist at all) come from the fact that only one side of the political divide is even talking about the issue.
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Dunno where you were back when trans rights became a cause célèbre in bascially all progressive spaces and activist groups, but it really did happen a while back.

 
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In case anyone is wondering, I really do think that unskeptical treatment of public figures like Fallon Fox played a role in bringing about the sort of unjustifiable discrimination linked at #2,913. People tend to think "Burn the lot of them" when they see unfairness being treated as stunning, brave, and exemplary.
 
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d4m10n said:
This is precisely the sort of hateful rhetoric which leads to policies like this:
www.mprnews.org

Minnesota National Guard members receive email instructing those with gender dysphoria to voluntarily separate

The email to National Guard members lays out a timeline for service members who experience gender dysphoria to voluntarily separate from the military.
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Oh, really? Objecting to organisations promoting a paedophile agenda is now "hateful rhetoric", is it? Personally, I'm in the millstone-and-depths-of-the-sea camp on that subject.

And I can entirely see why military organisations might not want these creeps and weirdos anywhere near them.
 
Rolfe said:
And I can entirely see why military organisations might not want these creeps and weirdos anywhere near them.
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What evidence persuaded you that the average military member with gender dysphoria supports the "paedophile agenda" in their spare time?
 
d4m10n said:
This is precisely the sort of hateful rhetoric which leads to policies like this:
www.mprnews.org

Minnesota National Guard members receive email instructing those with gender dysphoria to voluntarily separate

The email to National Guard members lays out a timeline for service members who experience gender dysphoria to voluntarily separate from the military.
www.mprnews.org www.mprnews.org
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No. What led to policies like this was the new Administration's position that trans identity is a symptom of gender dysphoria, and that gender dysphoria is a mental health condition incompatible with military service.

I don't think this is a very hateful position at all, but I suspect there's plenty of self-ID reliant AGPs out there ready to gaslight me otherwise. And about those people I say, "burn the lot of them".
Metaphorically, of course. I don't literally want them to die in a fire. I want them to live happily ever after.

After separating from the military.
 
d4m10n said:
This is precisely the sort of hateful rhetoric which leads to policies like this:
www.mprnews.org

Minnesota National Guard members receive email instructing those with gender dysphoria to voluntarily separate

The email to National Guard members lays out a timeline for service members who experience gender dysphoria to voluntarily separate from the military.
www.mprnews.org www.mprnews.org
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"Burn the lot of them" is hateful rhetoric directed toward people who rape and sexually assault babies and children... got it!
 
FWIW, Uptons crowdfunder is up to £5,800.

Some of the funniest £1 donators
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Meanwhile, Sandie Peggie's crowfunder just passed £38,000
 
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