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What did Democrats do wrong?

What did Democrats do wrong?

  • Didn't fight inflation enough.

    Votes: 12 20.7%
  • Didn't fight illegal immigration enough.

    Votes: 17 29.3%
  • Too much focus on abortion.

    Votes: 1 1.7%
  • Too much transgender stuff.

    Votes: 24 41.4%
  • America not ready for Progressive women leader.

    Votes: 21 36.2%
  • Should have kept Joe.

    Votes: 1 1.7%
  • Not enough focus on new jobs.

    Votes: 2 3.4%
  • Nothing, Trump cheated & played dirty!

    Votes: 5 8.6%
  • Didn't stop Gaza War.

    Votes: 5 8.6%
  • I can be Agent M.

    Votes: 4 6.9%

  • Total voters
    58
Trump must be really envious of CA fires stealing the show, when he had tons of people on social media ready to defend him after the unlawful sentencing today.
 
Democrats made zero mistakes under the Biden Administration, got it.

Yes, that's exactly what I said. And furthermore, as we all know, in politics what voters demand is perfection from their candidates. That's why Trump won. Because of how perfectly he ran his previous administration and this campaign.
 
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Yes, that's exactly what I said. And furthermore, as we all know, in politics what voters demand is perfection from their candidates. That's why Trump won. Because of how perfectly he ran his previous administration and this campaign.
There appears to be a deeply felt (not to say pathological) need to make this thread about the next administration rather than the sitting one.
 
The thing is, what did the Republicans do wrong is boring. They didn't convict trump in the second impeachment, and they nominated him afterward. That's it, that's what they did wrong and yet he somehow still one won. What did the Dems do wrong, a far more interesting and useful question to ask and hopefully answer. We With the exception of how the Dems responded to trump in counterproductive ways, the constant "But Trump...." Boring and unhelpful.
 
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well i’m not the left, nobody here is ran the harris campaign , and frankly the suggestion that until we start agreeing with you we haven’t learned our lesson is silly
 
There appears to be a deeply felt (not to say pathological) need to make this thread about the next administration rather than the sitting one.

Not nearly as pathological as the need to pretend that the people who voted for Trump didn't vote for what he was explicitly selling.
 
The thing is, what did the Republicans do wrong is boring. They didn't convict trump in the second impeachment, and they nominated him afterward. That's it, that's what they did wrong and yet he somehow still one won. What did the Dems do wrong, a far more interesting and useful question to ask and hopefully answer. We With the exception of how the Dems responded to trump in counterproductive ways, the constant "But Trump...." Boring and unhelpful.

So sorry you were bored. Hopefully the annexation of sovereign nations, polio outbreaks, and complete breakdown of government will liven things up for you.
 
If only there were a dozen other threads where this was on topic, then you wouldn't need to derail this one.

Sorry to have derailed the thread with relevant facts. I was under the impression that as a skeptic you would want to explore the question at hand on a foundation of truth instead of fantasy. My mistake for making that assumption.
 
Please recheck the OP for the actual question at hand.

It's nothing to do with "annexation of sovereign nations, polio outbreaks, and complete breakdown of government" unless you want to make the argument that Democrats failed to adequately emphasize these possibilities.
 
Please recheck the OP for the actual question at hand.

It's nothing to do with "annexation of sovereign nations, polio outbreaks, and complete breakdown of government" unless you want to make the argument that Democrats failed to adequately emphasize these possibilities.

I’ve checked it. And I’ve also seen a recurring theme in the responses that pretends what Trump voters responded to in his campaign was something other than the things he was explicitly saying and doing.

There is no honest assessment of why Democrats lost until you can be realistic about why Trump won.

But do keep going on about the price of eggs or whatever, if it makes you feel better. It won’t lead you to any meaningful answers but at least you’ll get that brief dopamine hit of feeling smart on an internet forum.
 
I’ve checked it. And I’ve also seen a recurring theme in the responses that pretends what Trump voters responded to in his campaign was something other than the things he was explicitly saying and doing.
This thread is not about Trump's campaign, but rather his opponents' campaign and their administration.
There is no honest assessment of why Democrats lost until you can be realistic about why Trump won.
Asking what Trump did to win over voters is not the same question as asking what Democrats did to lose them.

As to that "brief dopamine hit of feeling smart on an internet forum" I would encourage you to revisit the forum rules about attacking the arguer instead of the argument; PM me if you need a link.
 
This thread is not about Trump's campaign, but rather his opponents' campaign and their administration.

Asking what Trump did to win over voters is not the same question as asking what Democrats did to lose them.
As to that "brief dopamine hit of feeling smart on an internet forum" I would encourage you to revisit the forum rules about attacking the arguer instead of the argument; PM me if you need a link.
But the two questions are clearly linked. Both sides took actions to convince voters to vote for them, and one did a better job. Trying to figure out what the Democrats did wrong (ie: why did they lose) pretty much has to look at the voters and why they voted the way they did, as well as what the GOP did to get their votes.
 
But the two questions are clearly linked.
That's all well and good if you're willing to compare one party's messaging or performance (on any given issue that matters to voters) against the other party, instead of just bitching about Trump—we've already got soooo many threads for doing that.
 
That's all well and good if you're willing to compare one party's messaging or performance (on any given issue that matters to voters) against the other party, instead of just bitching about Trump—we've already got soooo many threads for doing that.

Understanding why voters voted for Republicans is intrinsic to understanding why they didn't vote for Democrats. This thread so far has mostly been an exercise in dishonesty and delusion on that point.

Let me give you an example.

One point that comes up over and over again is the economy. The argument is that the Democrats didn't do good enough on messaging (this ignores the fact that Harris made several economic policies central to her campaign) and the Republicans were able to speak to the issues that most concerned voters, i.e. inflation and higher costs of living.

An example of what Trump said and promised:
“Prices will come down,” Trump told voters during a speech last week laying out his vision for a return to the White House. “You just watch: They’ll come down, and they’ll come down fast, not only with insurance, with everything.”

The argument goes that economic issues were paramount in voter's minds and Trump's messaging addressed this in a more effective way than Democrats, and that's one reason why Democrats lost.

But then after Trump won the election...

When it comes to grocery prices, Trump suddenly changes his tune
Four days later, Time magazine published the transcript of its latest interview Trump, which included a rather pointed question: “If the prices of groceries don’t come down, will your presidency be a failure?” The president-elect replied:

"I don’t think so. Look, they got them up. I’d like to bring them down. It’s hard to bring things down once they’re up. You know, it’s very hard. But I think that they will".

Suddenly Donald Trump doesn’t want to talk so much about the economy
An hour into Tuesday’s press conference, Trump backed off even further, admitting that if his administration does reduce inflation, “we won’t do it fast.”

Trump is already backing off his most important campaign promise
During the campaign, Trump proposed tariffs of 10-20% on all imports — and 60% on goods from China. Welker asked whether he could “guarantee” that Americans won’t pay higher prices under those tariffs. “I can’t guarantee anything,” Trump replied.

The response from Trump voters? A collective shoulder shrug.

It's odd that people seem to generally not care that Trump has now effectively reversed himself on his promises to address what we were told was one of the single most important issues of the campaign.

The logical conclusion to draw from that is it was actually not that important and anyone claiming this was an issue that cost Democrats the election is engaged in an act of willful delusion.
 
he’s reversed himself before even taking office.

i mean, if we’re being honest the republican messaging on the economy was shamelessly lying. but we don’t want to discuss that, we also don’t want the dems to shamelessly lie, but they need some kind of unicorn like reality based messaging on the economy that’s both true and also promising the moon.

this lesson, i refuse to learn. sue me i guess
 
Understanding why voters voted for Republicans is intrinsic to understanding why they didn't vote for Democrats. This thread so far has mostly been an exercise in dishonesty and delusion on that point.

Let me give you an example.

One point that comes up over and over again is the economy. The argument is that the Democrats didn't do good enough on messaging (this ignores the fact that Harris made several economic policies central to her campaign) and the Republicans were able to speak to the issues that most concerned voters, i.e. inflation and higher costs of living.

An example of what Trump said and promised:


The argument goes that economic issues were paramount in voter's minds and Trump's messaging addressed this in a more effective way than Democrats, and that's one reason why Democrats lost.

But then after Trump won the election...

When it comes to grocery prices, Trump suddenly changes his tune


Suddenly Donald Trump doesn’t want to talk so much about the economy


Trump is already backing off his most important campaign promise


The response from Trump voters? A collective shoulder shrug.

It's odd that people seem to generally not care that Trump has now effectively reversed himself on his promises to address what we were told was one of the single most important issues of the campaign.

The logical conclusion to draw from that is it was actually not that important and anyone claiming this was an issue that cost Democrats the election is engaged in an act of willful delusion.
Nothing in this post indicates that Democrats did something wrong, or even pursued suboptimal policies/messaging regarding the economy.

Seems to me that you insist on changing the subject from one party's mistakes to another's mendacity.

Do you sincerely believe you are not deliberately derailing this topic?
 
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Again, you need to look at the voters to understand why the Democrats lost the election. And pointing out that the voters don't seem to care that Trump is backing away from his campaign promises seems to be an important point in studying the voters.

I am not sure how you could even say the Democrats did anything wrong without looking at how the voters voted, or why they voted Trump. Even if we were to assume a complete separation of Politics and Policy (as terrifying as that is), you still would have to examine why the voters preferred Republican Politics.
 
Again, you need to look at the voters to understand why the Democrats lost the election. And pointing out that the voters don't seem to care that Trump is backing away from his campaign promises seems to be an important point in studying the voters.
"Pointing out" would seemingly imply some evidence was brought to our attention. Was it?
I am not sure how you could even say the Democrats did anything wrong without looking at how the voters voted, or why they voted Trump.
You cannot say what they did wrong without saying anything about what they did wrong.
 
It was a binary choice. You can't explain why people preferred one option to the other without examining how the 2 choices differed.
 
It was a binary choice. You can't explain why people preferred one option to the other without examining how the 2 choices differed.
That's fine, as long as you actually compare and contrast both.

Posts solely dedicated to complaining about Trump and his followers don't cut it.
 
Maybe, but do you acknowledge that they were held to different standards? That's why people are complaining about Trump in this thread. Van Jones, in the ever so rare occasion he gets it right, put it "she has to be flawless while he can be lawless". It is a little frustrating to hear people go on about how Harris lacked real content in her interviews or that she didn't talk about policy enough.
 
What the democrats did wrong was think a woman could win the presidency. America is just not ready for a woman president. Maybe if she had jumped in on the black people stealing and eating your pets she would have had a chance but as it was she was doomed from the start because she was a woman.
 
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