Its not just politics.There should be some sort of rule of thumb that no matter what the OP, U.S. politics threads will always end up being about Trump.
Its not just politics.There should be some sort of rule of thumb that no matter what the OP, U.S. politics threads will always end up being about Trump.
What did Democrats do wrong to cause those fires?Trump must be really envious of CA fires stealing the show, when he had tons of people on social media ready to defend him after the unlawful sentencing today.
Dems advocate redistribution of kinetic energy. Duh.What did Democrats do wrong to cause those fires?
They hired a lesbian fire chiefs. According to all MAGA posts the fire was caused by DEI hires.What did Democrats do wrong to cause those fires?
Sin, of course. It's always sin.What did Democrats do wrong to cause those fires?
What did Democrats do wrong to cause those fires?
Democrats made zero mistakes under the Biden Administration, got it.If you get your answers from right wing media, you’ll see more examples of why the premise of this thread continues to be flawed.
At least Las Vegas was spared.Sin, of course. It's always sin.
Lots of money in that town, I've heard. Money buys you a lot of indulgences, in both senses.At least Las Vegas was spared.
At least for now - gotta give the evangelists time to sneak out the back way first. Besides, that's good old fashioned all-American sin. After all, as Moral crusader Bill Bennett said of his million dollar gambling losses, it's not the grocery money.At least Las Vegas was spared.
Democrats made zero mistakes under the Biden Administration, got it.
Makes sense to me.Sin, of course. It's always sin.
There appears to be a deeply felt (not to say pathological) need to make this thread about the next administration rather than the sitting one.Yes, that's exactly what I said. And furthermore, as we all know, in politics what voters demand is perfection from their candidates. That's why Trump won. Because of how perfectly he ran his previous administration and this campaign.
The sitting one has only a week left. Not much more to say about it, really.There appears to be a deeply felt (not to say pathological) need to make this thread about the next administration rather than the sitting one.
Right? No need to think ahead for 2028.The sitting one has only a week left. Not much more to say about it, really.
One thread ≠ Everythingfunny that i find constantly blaming the left for everything tiresome
There appears to be a deeply felt (not to say pathological) need to make this thread about the next administration rather than the sitting one.
The thing is, what did the Republicans do wrong is boring. They didn't convict trump in the second impeachment, and they nominated him afterward. That's it, that's what they did wrong and yet he somehow stillonewon. What did the Dems do wrong, a far more interesting and useful question to ask and hopefully answer.WeWith the exception of how the Dems responded to trump in counterproductive ways, the constant "But Trump...." Boring and unhelpful.
In country that just re-elected Trump, it's not the people who voted against him that are unwilling to learn lessons.Funny that I find the lefts unwillingness to learn lessons sad.
If only there were a dozen other threads where this was on topic, then you wouldn't need to derail this one.Not nearly as pathological as the need to pretend that the people who voted for Trump didn't vote for what he was explicitly selling.
If only there were a dozen other threads where this was on topic, then you wouldn't need to derail this one.
Please recheck the OP for the actual question at hand.
It's nothing to do with "annexation of sovereign nations, polio outbreaks, and complete breakdown of government" unless you want to make the argument that Democrats failed to adequately emphasize these possibilities.
This thread is not about Trump's campaign, but rather his opponents' campaign and their administration.I’ve checked it. And I’ve also seen a recurring theme in the responses that pretends what Trump voters responded to in his campaign was something other than the things he was explicitly saying and doing.
Asking what Trump did to win over voters is not the same question as asking what Democrats did to lose them.There is no honest assessment of why Democrats lost until you can be realistic about why Trump won.
But the two questions are clearly linked. Both sides took actions to convince voters to vote for them, and one did a better job. Trying to figure out what the Democrats did wrong (ie: why did they lose) pretty much has to look at the voters and why they voted the way they did, as well as what the GOP did to get their votes.This thread is not about Trump's campaign, but rather his opponents' campaign and their administration.
Asking what Trump did to win over voters is not the same question as asking what Democrats did to lose them.
As to that "brief dopamine hit of feeling smart on an internet forum" I would encourage you to revisit the forum rules about attacking the arguer instead of the argument; PM me if you need a link.
That's all well and good if you're willing to compare one party's messaging or performance (on any given issue that matters to voters) against the other party, instead of just bitching about Trump—we've already got soooo many threads for doing that.But the two questions are clearly linked.
That's all well and good if you're willing to compare one party's messaging or performance (on any given issue that matters to voters) against the other party, instead of just bitching about Trump—we've already got soooo many threads for doing that.
“Prices will come down,” Trump told voters during a speech last week laying out his vision for a return to the White House. “You just watch: They’ll come down, and they’ll come down fast, not only with insurance, with everything.”
Four days later, Time magazine published the transcript of its latest interview Trump, which included a rather pointed question: “If the prices of groceries don’t come down, will your presidency be a failure?” The president-elect replied:
"I don’t think so. Look, they got them up. I’d like to bring them down. It’s hard to bring things down once they’re up. You know, it’s very hard. But I think that they will".
An hour into Tuesday’s press conference, Trump backed off even further, admitting that if his administration does reduce inflation, “we won’t do it fast.”
During the campaign, Trump proposed tariffs of 10-20% on all imports — and 60% on goods from China. Welker asked whether he could “guarantee” that Americans won’t pay higher prices under those tariffs. “I can’t guarantee anything,” Trump replied.
Nothing in this post indicates that Democrats did something wrong, or even pursued suboptimal policies/messaging regarding the economy.Understanding why voters voted for Republicans is intrinsic to understanding why they didn't vote for Democrats. This thread so far has mostly been an exercise in dishonesty and delusion on that point.
Let me give you an example.
One point that comes up over and over again is the economy. The argument is that the Democrats didn't do good enough on messaging (this ignores the fact that Harris made several economic policies central to her campaign) and the Republicans were able to speak to the issues that most concerned voters, i.e. inflation and higher costs of living.
An example of what Trump said and promised:
The argument goes that economic issues were paramount in voter's minds and Trump's messaging addressed this in a more effective way than Democrats, and that's one reason why Democrats lost.
But then after Trump won the election...
When it comes to grocery prices, Trump suddenly changes his tune
Suddenly Donald Trump doesn’t want to talk so much about the economy
Trump is already backing off his most important campaign promise
The response from Trump voters? A collective shoulder shrug.
It's odd that people seem to generally not care that Trump has now effectively reversed himself on his promises to address what we were told was one of the single most important issues of the campaign.
The logical conclusion to draw from that is it was actually not that important and anyone claiming this was an issue that cost Democrats the election is engaged in an act of willful delusion.
"Pointing out" would seemingly imply some evidence was brought to our attention. Was it?Again, you need to look at the voters to understand why the Democrats lost the election. And pointing out that the voters don't seem to care that Trump is backing away from his campaign promises seems to be an important point in studying the voters.
You cannot say what they did wrong without saying anything about what they did wrong.I am not sure how you could even say the Democrats did anything wrong without looking at how the voters voted, or why they voted Trump.
That's fine, as long as you actually compare and contrast both.It was a binary choice. You can't explain why people preferred one option to the other without examining how the 2 choices differed.