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Merged Virginia Giuffre on the verge of death..? / Virginia Giuffre strange event

It does seem odd that, according to the Daily Mail article, Guiffre sustained a black eye but then claimed kidney failure. The two don't seem connected.

Also, that she sought treatment elsewhere for "a pre-existing condition". There's certainly more to the story, but it doesn't appear consistent with what she posted on IG.
 
There is a history of domestic violence in her marriage.
It seems much more likely that the severe injuries are from a beating rather than an accident.
Especially as she now claims that she never said her current kidney “failure” was caused by the vehicle accident.
 
EHocking said:
There is a history of domestic violence in her marriage.
It seems much more likely that the severe injuries are from a beating rather than an accident.
Especially as she now claims that she never said her current kidney “failure” was caused by the vehicle accident.
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Link to her claim now?
 
Any proof the photo of her was taken recently? That is, just after this accident? Could it have been taken at another time?

The injuries in the picture seem much more related to a facial assault. Also, the bruises look old, many days old. I would have sympathy in that case. I have no time at all for assault like that.

If she was in/near kidney failure and terminal, she would be in much, much poorer condition, and hooked up to dialysis, not lolling in bed.

So I suspect this is a gee-up from the Daily Fail.
 
Poor woman, obviously screwed-up by her abusers, I hope her children grow up proud of what she did.
 
Puppycow said:
Conspiracy theory incoming. Someone rich and powerful had her killed, just like they killed Epstein.
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I've already seen someone post a purported earlier post by Guiffre saying that if she is found to have committed suicide, be very suspicious, people are out to get her. So, yeah, CTs abound.
 
Well, in a way people were conspiring against her, and other kids/teens who are unfortunate enough to catch the eye of predators like them, and in a way that conspiracy killed her. Sadly, it seems that she lost her life long before she finally died, because of them. And yes, in her case, the predators (or at least some of them) have been punished, but not even close to as harshly as she was.
 
Orphia Nay said:
I've already seen someone post a purported earlier post by Guiffre saying that if she is found to have committed suicide, be very suspicious, people are out to get her. So, yeah, CTs abound.
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I saw that reposted; it looks genuine, but it was originally posted in 2019, so it's quite possible her mental state had got worse in the interim. Her posts following the recent accident certainly suggest she was troubled, at the very least.
 
zooterkin said:
www.theguardian.com

Virginia Giuffre, who accused Jeffrey Epstein of sexual abuse, dies aged 41

Giuffre’s family issued a statement confirming she took her own life at her farm in Western Australia, where she had lived for several years
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
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I do have one question about this statement from "her family". Does that mean her husband and children? Her parents? Her sibling(s)? All of them?

The Daily Mail reported:

It was also revealed that Giuffre had been listed to face court ten days before the crash over the alleged breach of the family violence restraining order.
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The family statement "In the end, the toll of abuse is so heavy that it became unbearable for Virginia to handle its weight" attributes her suicide to the abuse she suffered from Epstein & Co. decades earlier, but I wonder if more recent trouble in her family life had something to do with it. The family statement might be misdirection.
 
Puppycow said:
I do have one question about this statement from "her family". Does that mean her husband and children? Her parents? Her sibling(s)? All of them?

The Daily Mail reported:



The family statement "In the end, the toll of abuse is so heavy that it became unbearable for Virginia to handle its weight" attributes her suicide to the abuse she suffered from Epstein & Co. decades earlier, but I wonder if more recent trouble in her family life had something to do with it. The family statement might be misdirection.
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Yeah, I have not followed her story much, but some people have said she had suffered abuse from her husband and that she was estranged from her children.

For many of us, the Epstein and Prince Andrew story will be most salient, but do we know that that is what was most on her mind rather than more recent and more everyday problems such as spousal abuse, missing her children and her reported illness?
 
It is of course impossible to know what it was that finally caused her to take her life, but being the victim of trafficking at an early age is probably not the best start of life as an adult, and victims of abuse (and I count what happened to her with Epstein as abuse, at the very least) often repeat patterns set in their early life. It's extremely common for women in situations that I deem similar to hers to think of themselves as not worth anything but abuse.
 
angrysoba said:
Yeah, I have not followed her story much, but some people have said she had suffered abuse from her husband and that she was estranged from her children.
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I don't know. When there is a domestic violence situation people tend to assume that the man is the abuser and the woman is the victim, but the report I quoted above said that she was "listed to face court ten days before the crash over the alleged breach of the family violence restraining order". The way that was worded made me think that perhaps she had been the one accused.
Now after another search I found a bit more, although it still doesn't shed too much light:
people.com

Virginia Giuffre’s Family Speaks Out About Her Suicide at 41: 'Too Much to Carry’ (Exclusive)

Virginia Giuffre’s family is speaking out about her death by suicide in an exclusive interview with PEOPLE. Giuffre, one of the most outspoken accusers of convicted sex offenders Jeffery Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell, died in Perth, Australia, her family announced on April 25.
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She told PEOPLE in an exclusive statement, "I was able to fight back against Ghislaine Maxwell and Jeffrey Epstein, who abused and trafficked me. But I was unable to escape the domestic violence in my marriage until recently. After my husband's latest physical assault, I can no longer stay silent."
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So perhaps those injuries were real but had nothing to do with the minor bus accident which she attributed it to.
There is also a statement from her husband's attorney:
Virginia had reported assault to police in Dunsborough, Western Australia, in January, though Robert was not charged for any crime, Virginia's rep previously confirmed to PEOPLE.
Robert's attorney, meanwhile, told PEOPLE in an email statement, "Unfortunately, as the issues you raise are before the Courts in Australia, both he and anyone associated with the case, including Ms Giuffe or her agents, are prohibited from discussing or utilizing the media. Therefore, there is no comment."
Sky and Amanda told PEOPLE that Virginia had been having marital issues for a while and had separated from Robert — the father of her three children, ages 19, 16 and 15 — sometime around August 2023.
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If she was "prohibited from discussing or utilizing the media" as her husband's attorney claims, then giving an "exclusive statement" to People Magazine would seem to be a violation of that. Is this a thing in Australian law? People aren't permitted to make statements to the media about issues before the courts? Or is that just a convenient excuse for her husband to not make any public statement?

And I still want to know who exactly is writing these statements that the press is reporting from "her family". Who is the actual author of those words, and do they really speak on behalf of all other members of "her family"?
 
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Puppycow said:
I don't know. When there is a domestic violence situation people tend to assume that the man is the abuser and the woman is the victim, but the report I quoted above said that she was "listed to face court ten days before the crash over the alleged breach of the family violence restraining order". The way that was worded made me think that perhaps she had been the one accused.
Now after another search I found a bit more, although it still doesn't shed too much light:
people.com

Virginia Giuffre’s Family Speaks Out About Her Suicide at 41: 'Too Much to Carry’ (Exclusive)

Virginia Giuffre’s family is speaking out about her death by suicide in an exclusive interview with PEOPLE. Giuffre, one of the most outspoken accusers of convicted sex offenders Jeffery Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell, died in Perth, Australia, her family announced on April 25.
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So perhaps those injuries were real but had nothing to do with the minor bus accident which she attributed it to.
There is also a statement from her husband's attorney:

If she was "prohibited from discussing or utilizing the media" as her husband's attorney claims, then giving an "exclusive statement" to People Magazine would seem to be a violation of that. Is this a thing in Australian law? People aren't permitted to make statements to the media about issues before the courts? Or is that just a convenient excuse for her husband to not make any public statement?

And I still want to know who exactly is writing these statements that the press is reporting from "her family". Who is the actual author of those words, and do they really speak on behalf of all other members of "her family"?
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I don't think I have ever seen a quote from her husband Robert Giuffre. However, surely now Virginia is deceased the court case is automatically shelved so of course he could make a statement if he wanted to.

It was when Epstein sent her off to Thailand to take a masseuse course, she met Robert and decided it was a good opportunity to flee Epstein's clutches and live as far away as possible, in Australia. Looks like her brother has joined her there. It is a shame she didn't seem to have anyone to turn to. Dad seems to have been the person who encouraged her career when she became an 'escort' working underage for Ron Eppinger's sex trafficking ring and then working at Mar-A-Lago as a locker attendant, where she came under the clutches of Ghislaine Maxwell.

The hostility expressed by the likes of Lady Victoria Hervey comes from their side seeing the demand for compensation for the sex abuse as a young adult as some kind of breach of contract, in which the transaction between a sex worker and the client assumes confidentiality, so the likes of Hervey and Prince Andrew likely perceived it as blackmail and extortion, whether or not he had relations with her. It's a sordid world in which the rich and the famous have all of the power. Although Giuffre was said to have been handsomely paid off by Prince Andrew and with a new life in Australia with a mansion and a holiday farm plus three children, sadly it seems she had problems in her marriage possibly or possibly not caused by her early sexual abuse experiences by older men meaning she had issues with trust and security. Maybe there was a third party and jealousy reared its ugly head, jealousy being a key reason for violence in a relationship. Maybe she had anger management issues that she took out on her nearest and dearest, to the extent they needed a break from her behaviour.

I am sure the full story will come out bit by bit eventually. Whether it was a moment of impulse or whether carefully planned complete with suicide note..


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angrysoba said:
Yeah, it seems that SHE had a domestic violence restraining order on HER that her husband had got.

This probably explains why she hadn’t seen her children and was living with her brother and sister-in-law.

people.com

Virginia Giuffre's Court Appearance for Alleged Breach of Restraining Order Is Postponed

Giuffre was released from the hospital on Monday and had been scheduled to have a court appearance Wednesday.
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I see. Although she claimed that he attacked her and that she would have filed a restraining order against him but he "beat her to the punch".
Although it is somewhat vague, I infer that "her family" refers to her parents and brother, Sky Roberts. So there were accusations and counter-accusations. Her children maybe know the truth. However, I think they should be left alone. They don't deserve any of this and they certainly don't deserve to be hounded by reporters or gossip-mongers.
 
I'm not suggesting anything untoward, but I'm sure there's a number of people sleeping more soundly on their huge piles of money. Some of them in Royal & Presidential bedrooms.
 
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