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Trump's Second Term

www.nbcnews.com

Trump says his proposed tariffs will ‘cost Americans nothing’ but he ‘can’t guarantee anything’

President-elect Donald Trump says he does not “believe” that American consumers will ultimately pay the price of his proposed tariffs during an exclusive interview with Meet the Press.
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trump claims there was no inflation during his presidency, none for the first two years of biden's, then a lot of inflation. and then talks about how how the us is subsidizing canada and mexico and that tariffs will level the playing field and tariffs cost americans nothing and stop wars and illegal immigrants from canada.
 
dirtywick said:
trump claims there was no inflation during his presidency, none for the first two years of biden's, then a lot of inflation. and then talks about how how the us is subsidizing canada and mexico and that tariffs will level the playing field and tariffs cost americans nothing and stop wars and illegal immigrants from canada.
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Ugh. I really, really did not want to need to pay attention to how insane the things that Trump proclaims are, again.

**** all the Trump voters for putting us into this nightmare for the country, yet again.
 
dirtywick said:
www.nbcnews.com

Trump says his proposed tariffs will ‘cost Americans nothing’ but he ‘can’t guarantee anything’

President-elect Donald Trump says he does not “believe” that American consumers will ultimately pay the price of his proposed tariffs during an exclusive interview with Meet the Press.
www.nbcnews.com www.nbcnews.com

trump claims there was no inflation during his presidency, none for the first two years of biden's, then a lot of inflation. and then talks about how how the us is subsidizing canada and mexico and that tariffs will level the playing field and tariffs cost americans nothing and stop wars and illegal immigrants from canada.
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Not even tangentially impinging on reality any more.
 
dirtywick said:
www.nbcnews.com

Trump says his proposed tariffs will ‘cost Americans nothing’ but he ‘can’t guarantee anything’

President-elect Donald Trump says he does not “believe” that American consumers will ultimately pay the price of his proposed tariffs during an exclusive interview with Meet the Press.
www.nbcnews.com www.nbcnews.com

trump claims there was no inflation during his presidency, none for the first two years of biden's, then a lot of inflation. and then talks about how how the us is subsidizing canada and mexico and that tariffs will level the playing field and tariffs cost americans nothing and stop wars and illegal immigrants from canada.
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He said a lot of demented things in that interview.

"Q:Do you commit to releasing your medical records?
T: Sure. I do it all the time. I think I've released four of them.
Q: Not just a letter, your full medical report?
T: Yeah, I would. I think anybody should. According to all the reports, I don't want to--is this a"

In two weeks, no doubt.

He also again accused the J6 Committee of destroying its records (without evidence) and that all of them "should go to jail". He says he'll also pardon the J6 rioters on "day one".

Kash Patel, his choice to lead the FBI, listed 60 people he thinks are part of the "deep state" including Hillary Clinton, Joe Biden, Bill Barr and Christopher Wray. Asked if he'll direct Patel to investigate them, Trump said "no", but that Patel "will do what he thinks is right." When asked if he thinks that would be right, Trump said that it would be an "obligation" if he think these politicians are corrupt and have committed crimes. The irony burns.

Buckle up. In fact I suggest a 4-point harnesses, a crash helmet, and an air bag.
 
Who knew? We gave all our power to corporations. And now our political power is about the same as those who lived under communism. But we still get to pick our sex partners, brand of car and flavor of ice cream.
 
It would also involve a change to the constitution, but hey Trump has always reneged on contracts so why should the constitution be any different?
 
How do we define treason when the President is about to do treason and that in fact is our actual policy? We can sell off our secrets too, deposit bitcoin to Trump as payment.
 
Trump said he thinks "somebody has to find out" if there is a link between autism and childhood vaccines.

We already know.
 
Birthright citizenship stems from the 14th Amendment of the US Constitution, which states that "all persons born" in the United States "are citizens of the United States".

"We're going to have to get it changed," Trump said. "We'll maybe have to go back to the people. But we have to end it."
 
Trump will just rename the US into the Shmunited Shmates of America, and then can kick out everyone who's face he doesn't like.
 
Tero said:
How do we define treason when the President is about to do treason and that in fact is our actual policy? We can sell off our secrets too, deposit bitcoin to Trump as payment.
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First, by differentiating the colloquial and dictionary meanings from the current legal meaning in the US.

It was with decent cause that treason was defined narrowly in the US for legal purposes, but that in no way negates the colloquial and dictionary meanings, after all. Trump has committed treason and is promising to commit treason. That such is not directly prosecutable as treason - even less so after the Supreme Court radical right winger's treasonous decision to put Trump even more above the law, is only relevant to the legal sense.
 
The Don said:
Interesting headline in a BBC article:



www.bbc.co.uk

Trump vows end to birthright citizenship and pardon US Capitol rioters

He tells NBC he will issue "a lot" of executive orders, including on immigration, once he takes office.
www.bbc.co.uk

While the latter is expected, the former (while he has mentioned it before) would be a major change for the US.
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How far back does this negation of birthright citizenship extend? For example, if your grandfather was an illegal immigrant, and your father and then you were born in the USA, are you a US citizen? Or more importantly, are you liable for deportation under Trump's plan?
 
Norman Alexander said:
How far back does this negation of birthright citizenship extend? For example, if your grandfather was an illegal immigrant, and your father and then you were born in the USA, are you a US citizen? Or more importantly, are you liable for deportation under Trump's plan?
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I understand they are looking to adapting the new policing guide:
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Darat said:
I understand they are looking to adapting the new policing guide:
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LOL.

But my question is to Trump in particular. His grandfather was an illegal German immigrant to the USA. So if the Trump Deportation rule is applied retrospectively, Trump is not a "natural born US citizen" and is therefore unqualified to hold the position of President.
 
Trump's plan to end birthright citizenship guaranteed by the 14th Amendment means only one of his children, Tiffany, would be a citizen. Don Jr., Ivanka and Eric were all born before Ivana became a citizen and Barron was born before Melania became a citizen.
 
Andy_Ross said:
Trump's plan to end birthright citizenship guaranteed by the 14th Amendment means only one of his children, Tiffany, would be a citizen. Don Jr., Ivanka and Eric were all born before Ivana became a citizen and Barron was born before Melania became a citizen.
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Even if it was applied retrospectively, Trump's children would be US citizens by dint of him being a citizen (if his mother was a citizen at the time of his birth, his paternal grandfather's immigration status would be irrelevant).

In any case as Darat clearly implied, the duskier the hue, the bigger the problem.
Norman Alexander said:
LOL.

But my question is to Trump in particular. His grandfather was an illegal German immigrant to the USA. So if the Trump Deportation rule is applied retrospectively, Trump is not a "natural born US citizen" and is therefore unqualified to hold the position of President.
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If his mother was a US citizen he'd be fine.
 
Norman Alexander said:
LOL.

But my question is to Trump in particular. His grandfather was an illegal German immigrant to the USA. So if the Trump Deportation rule is applied retrospectively, Trump is not a "natural born US citizen" and is therefore unqualified to hold the position of President.
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Would have been hilarious if this ended with Dump being deported. Not that anyone would want him.
 
The Don said:
Even if it was applied retrospectively, Trump's children would be US citizens by dint of him being a citizen (if his mother was a citizen at the time of his birth, his paternal grandfather's immigration status would be irrelevant).

In any case as Darat clearly implied, the duskier the hue, the bigger the problem.

If his mother was a US citizen he'd be fine.
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Yes, alas it would probably exceed even Mr. T's outrageous plans to include him in the list. But Melania and her family? Should have been tossed already.
 
IMV the issue of birthright citizenship only arises when deportation of parents is complicated by having dependent children who are US citizens as a result of being born in the US. Trump wants to be able to deport the entire family.

If one parent is legal and the other not, then maybe he'd allow the legal parent to remain in the US so long as the illegal parent can be deported. Then again, marrying an illegal immigrant may be enough to get you deported as well.

This will disproportionately impact people of a darker hue, not least because they're far more likely to be caught up in the ICE dragnet. I've said it before many times, I expect hundreds or thousands of legal US citizens to be deported by accident and then having their lives destroyed by the fallout.
 
The Party will likely set up a system to encourage people to report any illegals being in the country. All the Karens in the USA will be on the phone, constantly, getting neighbors visits from ICE. I'm brown, so I'm going to have my passport on me and hope that it is enough to keep me from getting deported.
I'm not too worried, however, because I'm not in a conservative area.
 
Darat said:
It would also involve a change to the constitution, but hey Trump has always reneged on contracts so why should the constitution be any different?
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What would happen if Trump violated the constitution? Even if the courts ruled against him, how would the enforce their rulings? It seems to me that the only way to enforce compliance would be to impeach Trump, but that will never happen.
 
Exactly. SCOTUS ruled that Trump is above the law. They ruled that even gathering evidence of a crime that Trump does is not allowed.
 
The Don said:
Even if it was applied retrospectively, Trump's children would be US citizens by dint of him being a citizen (if his mother was a citizen at the time of his birth, his paternal grandfather's immigration status would be irrelevant).

In any case as Darat clearly implied, the duskier the hue, the bigger the problem.

If his mother was a US citizen he'd be fine.
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That not how Trumpists see it. Many illegals have been in the USA long enough to have grandchildren now. And they have married US citizens as well. Yet the whole family tree, kids and all, faces deportation including the people they married. The message is: if you want to stay married to an illegal, you have to be deported with them. The "identifier" used for illegals will indeed be colour.

This is highly relative to mixed German Jewish families in the 1930s.
 
Norman Alexander said:
That not how Trumpists see it. Many illegals have been in the USA long enough to have grandchildren now. And they have married US citizens as well. Yet the whole family tree, kids and all, faces deportation including the people they married. The message is: if you want to stay married to an illegal, you have to be deported with them. The "identifier" used for illegals will indeed be colour.

This is highly relative to mixed German Jewish families in the 1930s.
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It only applies to dusky people though - Trump would be fine because he's ethnically white (though currently orange).
 
The Don said:
It only applies to dusky people though - Trump would be fine because he's ethnically white (though currently orange).
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Sure! But it would be hilarious if the Deportation Gestapo were publicly given his family to "review". Because if he is immune then that gives legal grounds for thousands of other families of illegals. The whole thing becomes a farce.
 
The Don said:
It only applies to dusky people though - Trump would be fine because he's ethnically white (though currently orange).
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Nonsense, he it too German to be properly white. They are a swarthy people after all, just ask Ben Franklin.

"Which leads me to add one Remark: That the Number of purely white People in the World is proportionably very small. All Africa is black or tawny. Asia chiefly tawny. America (exclusive of the new Comers) wholly so. And in Europe, the Spaniards, Italians, French, Russians and Swedes, are generally of what we call a swarthy Complexion; as are the Germans also, the Saxons only excepted, who with the English, make the principal Body of White People on the Face of the Earth." Ben Franklin

So by the standards of our founding fathers Trump isn't white and thus not a real american.
 
White Supremacists don't care about actual facts when it comes to "whiteness." Their definition of "white" is fungible.
 
The nuance of who is white or isn't won't come back into fashion until all the brown people are subjugated again.
 
Is it just me or is he going backwards on his upcoming oh-so-amazing healthcare plan? In his first term, the AHCA (ie. 'trumpcare') fizzled after McCain voted against it. Then he announced that he had a plan and would reveal it 'in two week's, so it never surfaced. And now in the NBC interview, he's down to having "concepts of a plan".
 
KDLarsen said:
Is it just me or is he going backwards on his upcoming oh-so-amazing healthcare plan? In his first term, the AHCA (ie. 'trumpcare') fizzled after McCain voted against it. Then he announced that he had a plan and would reveal it 'in two week's, so it never surfaced. And now in the NBC interview, he's down to having "concepts of a plan".
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Promises for the future are easy. You never have to do anything real, just keep kicking the can. Blame the opposition, the obstructionists, the wreckers, for slowing the process. It's a time honored tradition, and I'm sure our fearless leader has, if not studied it, at least heard someone mention it, maybe Norman Vincent Peale. I think it was archy the cockroach who noted that you can't get a millennium by stringing a bunch of five year plans together, but who reads these days?
 
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