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[Ziggurat]

she punches down to elevate herself - it's the quintessence of Nazism,.

Uh... no. No, that is not the quintessence of Nazism.

Why does this forum keep defining down what it means to be a Nazi?

 

[The Great Zaganza]

Of course, if you need a more precise, US -centric History of Fascism, what Trump is currently putting in power is pretty much the lineup from the Business Plot.
No person with a democratic bone in their body could think having pretty much only billionaires and multimillionaires in the administration is a good thing.

People of the same trade seldom meet together, even for merriment and diversion, but the conversation ends in a conspiracy against the public, or in some contrivance to raise prices.

-Adam Smith, An Inquiry into the Nature and Causes of the Wealth of Nations

And now those tradespeople are together in the White House, with all the power to implement their plots.

 

[Ziggurat]

Of course, if you need a more precise, US -centric History of Fascism, what Trump is currently putting in power is pretty much the lineup from the Business Plot.
No person with a democratic bone in their body could think having pretty much only billionaires and multimillionaires in the administration is a good thing.

-Adam Smith, An Inquiry into the Nature and Causes of the Wealth of Nations

And now those tradespeople are together in the White House, with all the power to implement their plots.

And it never occurred to you that the standard for politics now is for everyone to be a lawyer? You think that's somehow less of a conspiracy against the public to make career politicians basically all come from one profession?

You haven't been paying any attention.

 

[Cat Not Included]

Such as? What actions has Mace done that you judge to qualify your labeling them as a nazi? Or a fascist?

I thought these arguments were silly back when "all" the Republicans were doing was blatantly using Nazi propaganda and rhetoric as the basis for their own campaign while also advocating fascist and white supremacist goals. It got even more ridiculous when we had Trump supporters wearing Nazi-esqu regalia and marching chanting "Jews will not replace us". But now that the TOP people in the Republican party are calling each other "America's Hitler" and giving "Heil Hitler" salutes while herding people into concentration camps, I really wonder what the hell else they could do to actually convince you they ARE, in fact, Nazis? They aren't only pursuing Nazi goals, they are directly and clearly presenting themselves as Nazis. So yeah, when your party leaders are openly presenting as Nazis, that makes the members of that party de facto members of a Nazi party. Which makes them Nazis. It is totally reasonable at this point to call any member of the party - especially its politicians - a Nazi. If they object, they are welcome to switch their affiliation to a party not run by "America's Hitler" and people giving Nazi salutes.

 

[Susheel]

Well, Emily's Cat has

It's not sealioning. It's pointing out the vacuous and empty insults being leveraged against pretty much anyone who doesn't meet your purity test, regardless of whether it's even remotely applicable.

Seriously, I'm really tired of this petty schoolyard BS that both progressives and the far right engage in. You can't come up with any actual arguments, so you resort to calling people names as if that is somehow convincing. Why not just go ahead and say "This person is a poopyhead, because they're part of a group that I think are all evil scum because I said so!"

And what you are doing is called JAQ'ing off. Nazism did not begin with the final solution. It began with people generating suspicion and hate against vulnerable and marginalized groups through lies and deceit which slowly escalated to purges and finally the mass deportations and massacres.

 

[varwoche]

If someone actively supports a neo nazi movement, is it fair to call them a nazi? I think so. Mace (and most of the gop) actively support a blatant neo nazi movement.

 

[Emily's Cat]

I thought these arguments were silly back when "all" the Republicans were doing was blatantly using Nazi propaganda and rhetoric as the basis for their own campaign while also advocating fascist and white supremacist goals.

Be specific. What propaganda do you mean, and in what way is it nazi in nature? Which goals have they advocated for that you view as being fascist goals, and which are white supremacist goals - and what specifically qualifies them as either of those?

It got even more ridiculous when we had Trump supporters wearing Nazi-esqu regalia and marching chanting "Jews will not replace us".

I mean, I guess if you need to jump back in time to find something concrete, go for it. Of course, we'll just pretend that there are never, ever, ever any Democrat supporters who engage in antisocial and antisemitic activities... like intimidating and harassing jewish students on campus, disrupting classes on jewish history to spout pro-hamas slogans that call for the literal extermination of jews... nope, nothing like that ever happens among Dem supporters, and even if it did, it would totally just be outliers and not at all representative of Dem politicians, and even if there were some Dem politicians who express similar views, well that's just their personal views and not the party itself... right? Right?????

But now that the TOP people in the Republican party are calling each other "America's Hitler"

Source?

and giving "Heil Hitler" salutes while herding people into concentration camps

Support?

, I really wonder what the hell else they could do to actually convince you they ARE, in fact, Nazis? They aren't only pursuing Nazi goals, they are directly and clearly presenting themselves as Nazis. So yeah, when your party leaders are openly presenting as Nazis, that makes the members of that party de facto members of a Nazi party. Which makes them Nazis. It is totally reasonable at this point to call any member of the party - especially its politicians - a Nazi. If they object, they are welcome to switch their affiliation to a party not run by "America's Hitler" and people giving Nazi salutes.

None of what you're saying here is real. You seem to believe that if you say it often enough, and hear it said back to you a lot, that must make it true... but yeah, the sun doesn't revolve around the earth, the planet isn't flat, and this is made-up conspiracy theory BS.

 

[Emily's Cat]

And what you are doing is called JAQ'ing off.

Actually, it's socratic method. There is a slew of unsupported assertions in here, which have been repeated over and over again for year without any actual evidence. It's reached a point where a lot of people - especially those who view themselves as progressives, simply accept that "it is known", and they don't bother to ever consider whether it's actually true or not.

 

[Emily's Cat]

If someone actively supports a neo nazi movement, is it fair to call them a nazi? I think so. Mace (and most of the gop) actively support a blatant neo nazi movement.

If someone actively supports a neo nazi movement, that would be fair.

So support your assertion - what movement does Mace (or any other Rep) support that you think qualifies as "blatantly neo nazi", and what specifically makes it neo nazi at all?

 

[varwoche]

... Of course, we'll just pretend that there are never, ever, ever any Democrat supporters who engage in antisocial and antisemitic activities... like intimidating and harassing jewish students on campus, disrupting classes on jewish history to spout pro-hamas slogans that call for the literal extermination of jews... nope, nothing like that ever happens among Dem supporters, and even if it did, it would totally just be outliers and not at all representative of Dem politicians, and even if there were some Dem politicians who express similar views, well that's just their personal views and not the party itself... right? Right?????

You're drawing a parallel between random liberal citizens and the leader(s) of the republican party. And if you refute this with a cite to the Berkley city council, I'm going to take that as a concession.

So support your assertion - what movement does Mace (or any other Rep) support that you think qualifies as "blatantly neo nazi", and what specifically makes it neo nazi at all?

I'm going to reply to this later on (possibly in a different thread).

 

[Emily's Cat]

You're drawing a parallel between random liberal citizens and the leader(s) of the republican party. And if you refute this with a cite to the Berkley city council, I'm going to take that as a concession.

Cat not included didn't reference leaders of the republican party, they referenced Trump supporters. I was drawing a parallel between random conservative citizens and random liberal citizens.

I'm going to reply to this later on (possibly in a different thread).

Cool, provide a link when you do please

 

[Cat Not Included]

Its hard to take you seriously when you have a long list responses saying "Source?" and "Support?" for what are currently massive news items worldwide. You've got internet access to get here, are you missing the ability to look up, like, anything else?

Like, with JD Vance calling Trump "America's Hitler", just look up those terms and you'll have choice. NY Times, CNN, CBS, even Xtwit.

And you somehow missed Elon's HH salute that sank Tesla stock and market worldwide?

And you feel qualified to weigh in on this, but are unaware of Trump and his lackeys sending people to death and/or slavery in both foreign and domestic prisons with no due process? That the Federal Courts have been having to get involved to say this is unconstitutional?

I don't think you're in the US, so I wouldn't blame you for not knowing this stuff, at least do some basic research before demanding other people feed you all the fine.

And the "if you need to jump back in time"...what? Stuff done in Trump's first term in office can't be used as evidence of what his party is up to in his second term? Explain that logic to me please?

 

[autumn1971]

No true fascist, not even the ones who advocate for fascism openly.

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