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Is Fetterman the new Manchin?

He didn't say Trump was a "praiseworthy" political talent. Just that Trump had some. Plenty of jumped-up fascist dictators have levels of political talent.

He may not have believed it was about fascism, but he was also wrong to not believe. Trump is a textbook Mussolini-style fascista.
 
Trump does have political talent in his ability to fearmonger and thus appeal to the stupid, the racists, the bigots, and the morally bankrupt. He has the same talent as Mussolini, Hitler, Putin and every other authoritarian.

A lot of Trump supporters don't even know what fascism is as they use it interchangeably with socialism and communism. Trump has called Harris a Marxist, socialist AND a fascist.
 
It is definitely a good idea to start identifying the heretics who must be purged.
 
Norman Alexander said:
Trump is a textbook Mussolini-style fascista.
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Hardly. Such comparisons are always incredibly superficial. Here's a clue for the clueless. Trump is populist, but he isn't ideological. In fact, that's been one of the big criticisms against him, that he gets easily swayed by others who flatter him. Why? Because he doesn't really have an ideology he sticks to that keeps him from changing his mind.

You really can't be a fascist without ideology. It's a necessary component. And Trump doesn't have it.
Norman Alexander said:
I hope Trump ends up the same way Mussolini did. If they can find a garage roof beam strong enough. Melania probably doesn't want Clara Petacci's fate though.
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The irony of your belief in political violence is no doubt lost on you while you complain of the fascism of others.
 
Ziggurat said:
Hardly. Such comparisons are always incredibly superficial. Here's a clue for the clueless. Trump is populist, but he isn't ideological. In fact, that's been one of the big criticisms against him, that he gets easily swayed by others who flatter him. Why? Because he doesn't really have an ideology he sticks to that keeps him from changing his mind.
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This is mostly true, but not totally true. His main issue for over 40 years is that the US gets screwed over by the rest of the world. That can play to the left, the right, and the middle. But his persona allows him to move across the political spectrum without incuring much damage from shifting positions. 2016: will appoint Supreme Court justices to overturn Roe. 2024: forces the RNC to keep abortion out of the party platform.

But, yeah, saying that Trump is a fascist is historical illiteracy.
 
Trausti said:
This is mostly true, but not totally true. His main issue for over 40 years is that the US gets screwed over by the rest of the world. That can play to the left, the right, and the middle. But his persona allows him to move across the political spectrum without incuring much damage from shifting positions. 2016: will appoint Supreme Court justices to overturn Roe. 2024: forces the RNC to keep abortion out of the party platform.

But, yeah, saying that Trump is a fascist is historical illiteracy.
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General Mark Milley, who probably has studied a little history here and there, disagrees with you.
 
Ziggurat said:
General Milley is an ass.
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Pot. Kettle

Here's a quote from Former Joint Chiefs of Staff Chair and retired Gen. Mark Milley in a news article published in The Hill:
“He is the most dangerous person ever. I had suspicions when I talked to you about his mental decline and so forth, but now I realize he’s a total fascist. He is now the most dangerous person to this country,” Milley told Woodward for the book “War,” which was previewed by The Guardian. “A fascist to the core.” The Hill article link
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I'm going to give someone of Milley's background and experience a tad more credibility than someone posting anonymously on the internet. YMMV ;)
 
newyorkguy said:
Pot. Kettle

Here's a quote from Former Joint Chiefs of Staff Chair and retired Gen. Mark Milley in a news article published in The Hill:


I'm going to give someone of Milley's background and experience a tad more credibility than someone posting anonymously on the internet. YMMV ;)
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Nothing I've said relies on my experience, so the comparison isn't relevant. And as for Miley, he worked under Trump for years and didn't say ANY of this until election time. And you think that's credible? That's the stupidest conclusion you could possibly draw from this.
 
I'm getting tired of the fine-point arguments about whether Trump is a this or a that or an other thing. Let's give him credit where due. He's unique and, while sharing certain bad qualities with his predecessors, I think he will soon enough carve his own niche in history wherein he becomes the poster child of awfulness to whom subsequent leaders are compared. He is, after all, the bestest biggest mostest ever, above all a perfect Trump, shiny and new, and destined to have his own pedestal in the rank of the odious.
 
Trausti said:
This is mostly true, but not totally true. His main issue for over 40 years is that the US gets screwed over by the rest of the world. That can play to the left, the right, and the middle. But his persona allows him to move across the political spectrum without incuring much damage from shifting positions. 2016: will appoint Supreme Court justices to overturn Roe. 2024: forces the RNC to keep abortion out of the party platform.

But, yeah, saying that Trump is a fascist is historical illiteracy.
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That is the extent to which Trump's narcissism lets him be a nationalist and a patriot. He'll agree with the racism of both the techbros and the MAGA base, only to turn on the latter when their racism no longer serves his interests or the interests of his allies.
A narcissist, a psychopath in particular, tends to think that others are out to screw him over if they aren't constantly letting him screw them over, which can be extended to the idea that the nation, party, group, faith, whatever that he belongs to is also being screwed over. It's a far cry from the usual claim of politicians that they are only serving the nation, which is rarely true anyway.
At other times, he may feel a stronger affiliation with strongmen like Putin (or dead ones like Hitler), while also suspecting the live ones of wanting to screw him and/or his country over. Flattering him seems to be the way to convince him that they aren't.
 
So to bring this back to the original topic, is Fetterman a fascist, or just fascist-adjacent?
 
Some more fuel for the fire:

After that Semafor interview, it wasn’t long before Fetterman started to openly express support for Donald Trump and his policy agenda. When Trump announced his cabinet picks in mid-November of last year, Fetterman was quick to say that he would gladly vote for Marco Rubio as secretary of state, calling him a “strong choice.” In fact, Rubio is a terrible choice, since he wants greater hostility with China and Iran, either of which could bring the world closer to nuclear war. He also supports crushing sanctions against Cuba, regime change in Venezuela, and has a creepy admiration for El Salvador’s dictator Nayib Bukele. His antagonism toward Cuba stands out, since Fetterman was completely correct back in 2021 when he called the U.S. embargo a “damaging” policy from a “bygone era” that “punishes innocent people”—but now, apparently, he’s happy to vote for someone who believes the opposite and wants to inflict that same punishment. (For that matter, so are the rest of the Senate Democrats, as Rubio was confirmed with a unanimous 99-0 vote. Current Affairs has reached out to the offices of Senators Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren in particular, asking them to explain that decision, but so far heard nothing back. But at least they made their votes quietly, and didn’t abase themselves by calling Rubio “strong.”)
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Gotta love that Rubio was a terrible choice--a terrible choice who got every Democrat to vote for him.
 
That's more of a mark agaisnt the "loyal opposition" than in favor of Rubio.

and Fetterman is more of a modern day Zell Miller.
 
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