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Destroying Evidence of a potential Crime?

Crazy Chainsaw

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Would it be lawfull to delete YouTube videos of your part in Inciting an insurrection against the Constitution of the United States?

The person in this video deleted months worth of his video telling people,
how the Donald Trump would invoke the Insurrection Act, and how the Military would back Trump and an Insurrection.
Would that be considered a crime?

 
I'm pretty sure it's a serious crime. You should clean up that hyperlink and then send it to the DOJ for action.

Already sent it to the January 6th committee, and stated I was willing to testify I watched them all, before the Insurrection, that's why I was warning people there was going to be violence, months before it happened, all Ron Paul's Waco Whackos needed was the belief the military were going to back them, and boom Insurrection.
 
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Already sent it to the January 6th committee, and stated I was willing to testify I watched them all, before the Insurrection, that's why I was warning people there was going to be violence, months before it happened, all Ron Paul's Waco Whackos needed was the belief the military were going to back them, and boom Insurrection.

You should definitely tell the DOJ as well. The legislature has an interest in what happened on Jan 6, but it's the DOJ that's going to prosecute the crimes you've uncovered.
 
Already sent it to the January 6th committee, and stated I was willing to testify I watched them all, before the Insurrection, that's why I was warning people there was going to be violence, months before it happened, all Ron Paul's Waco Whackos needed was the belief the military were going to back them, and boom Insurrection.

Out of curiosity, are any of those warnings in posts here?

As for deleting the videos, I imagine they can be recovered. It's my understanding nothing is really gone when you delete it.
 
Out of curiosity, are any of those warnings in posts here?

As for deleting the videos, I imagine they can be recovered. It's my understanding nothing is really gone when you delete it.

No I left the Forum during that Time, but I made several Comments on how I was treated by Militia groups in 2008 to keep me silent on How dangerous the conspiracy theorist like corsi and the Constitutionists that follow him were, many of the oath Keepers were followers of Corsi.
That's why I was attacked in 2008.
When no one listens what's the point of talking about it?
 
No I left the Forum during that Time, but I made several Comments on how I was treated by Militia groups in 2008 to keep me silent on How dangerous the conspiracy theorist like corsi and the Constitutionists that follow him were, many of the oath Keepers were followers of Corsi.
That's why I was attacked in 2008.
When no one listens what's the point of talking about it?

In this case the documentation would have proved useful, I think.
 
Would it be lawfull to delete YouTube videos of your part in Inciting an insurrection against the Constitution of the United States?

The person in this video deleted months worth of his video telling people,
how the Donald Trump would invoke the Insurrection Act, and how the Military would back Trump and an Insurrection.
Would that be considered a crime?



I'm not a lawyer, but I'm not sure deleting those videos violates any laws, unless they were already under subpoena. People delete videos all the time for a variety of reasons. Notifying DOJ wouldn't do any harm in any case. They may have deleted them from their channel, but Youtube/Google may still have them in an archive somewhere.
 
I'm not a lawyer, but I'm not sure deleting those videos violates any laws, unless they were already under subpoena. People delete videos all the time for a variety of reasons. Notifying DOJ wouldn't do any harm in any case. They may have deleted them from their channel, but Youtube/Google may still have them in an archive somewhere.

He was stating on the videos Trump made a Secret pact with the military and that Pense would send the vote back to the states, the Liberals would freak out and start Rioting, Trump Would declare the Insurrection act the Military would take over and declare Military Tribunals to hang Nzncy Pelosi, Obama, and Clinton on the 6th of January 2021
Along with several other democratic Congressmen and Senators.
 
He was stating on the videos Trump made a Secret pact with the military and that Pense would send the vote back to the states, the Liberals would freak out and start Rioting, Trump Would declare the Insurrection act the Military would take over and declare Military Tribunals to hang Nzncy Pelosi, Obama, and Clinton on the 6th of January 2021
Along with several other democratic Congressmen and Senators.

I'm pretty sure there's at least a couple felonies in all that. Hopefully the DOJ will pay attention to your advisories.
 
I'm not a lawyer, but I'm not sure deleting those videos violates any laws, unless they were already under subpoena. People delete videos all the time for a variety of reasons. Notifying DOJ wouldn't do any harm in any case. They may have deleted them from their channel, but Youtube/Google may still have them in an archive somewhere.

I'm pretty sure there's at least a couple felonies in all that. Hopefully the DOJ will pay attention to your advisories.

I am not a Lawyer, didn't know if it was covered under free speech or not,
Probably should have reported it months ago but didn't Trust reporting it to Trump's DoJ.
 
Would it be lawfull to delete YouTube videos of your part in Inciting an insurrection against the Constitution of the United States?

The person in this video deleted months worth of his video telling people,
how the Donald Trump would invoke the Insurrection Act, and how the Military would back Trump and an Insurrection.
Would that be considered a crime?



This is not illegal.

First, this is neither conspiracy of sedition nor inciting an insurrection. A conspiracy would require the person to take some actions in furtherance of the crime. Inciting an insurrection would have to be "directed to inciting or producing imminent lawless action and is likely to incite or produce such action." (Brandenburg v. Ohio, 1969). To protect freedom of speech, courts have taken a very narrow interpretation. A person would probably have to encourage people to commit specific crimes in accordance with an organized plan for a full-on rebellion. In the video he isn't telling anybody to do anything. He is just saying what he thinks Trump and others will do.

Deleting the videos from YouTube is not destroying or concealing records with the intent to impede or obstruct an investigation under 18 USC 1519. That requires that the person act knowingly to impede an investigation. That means the "person must at least have an inkling that he is the target of an investigation. Without such knowledge, that person only knows that he committed a crime and the federal government may or may not detect it. He knows only that a prosecution 'may or may not happen'" (U.S. v. Dunn, 2006)

Federal agencies have not said they intend to charge anybody with or investigate anybody for inciting an insurrection, let alone this individual. Nobody has been criminally charged with inciting an insurrection in relation to the January 6 attacks. I don't think there is even an inkling that this person is the target of an investigation for inciting an insurrection.

There is also the question of intent. The destruction or concealment must be done with the intent to impede or obstruct the investigation. I don't know if the video is being taken down by YouTube or even at the demand or request of YouTube. Or maybe even out of embarrassment that the predictions made in the video didn't come true.

Someone deleting this video from YouTube is not criminal.
 
I am not a Lawyer, didn't know if it was covered under free speech or not,
Probably should have reported it months ago but didn't Trust reporting it to Trump's DoJ.

Well it's Biden's DOJ now, so you should find a receptive audience.

You might also want to reach out to the guy's state prosecutor. They might be able to bring more charges.
 
This is not illegal.

First, this is neither conspiracy of sedition nor inciting an insurrection. A conspiracy would require the person to take some actions in furtherance of the crime. Inciting an insurrection would have to be "directed to inciting or producing imminent lawless action and is likely to incite or produce such action." (Brandenburg v. Ohio, 1969). To protect freedom of speech, courts have taken a very narrow interpretation. A person would probably have to encourage people to commit specific crimes in accordance with an organized plan for a full-on rebellion. In the video he isn't telling anybody to do anything. He is just saying what he thinks Trump and others will do.

Deleting the videos from YouTube is not destroying or concealing records with the intent to impede or obstruct an investigation under 18 USC 1519. That requires that the person act knowingly to impede an investigation. That means the "person must at least have an inkling that he is the target of an investigation. Without such knowledge, that person only knows that he committed a crime and the federal government may or may not detect it. He knows only that a prosecution 'may or may not happen'" (U.S. v. Dunn, 2006)

Federal agencies have not said they intend to charge anybody with or investigate anybody for inciting an insurrection, let alone this individual. Nobody has been criminally charged with inciting an insurrection in relation to the January 6 attacks. I don't think there is even an inkling that this person is the target of an investigation for inciting an insurrection.

There is also the question of intent. The destruction or concealment must be done with the intent to impede or obstruct the investigation. I don't know if the video is being taken down by YouTube or even at the demand or request of YouTube. Or maybe even out of embarrassment that the predictions made in the video didn't come true.

Someone deleting this video from YouTube is not criminal.
The investigation into January 6th is still ongoing and it is massive, everyone involved in January 6th should understand they will at some time be part of an investigation.
Also he is one of the few who said the Rioters would have Millitary support.
 
The investigation into January 6th is still ongoing and it is massive, everyone involved in January 6th should understand they will at some time be part of an investigation.
Also he is one of the few who said the Rioters would have Millitary support.

In the video you posted he said Trump would have military support. Not any rioters. And in the video he didn't tell anybody to do anything. That is miles and miles away from a charge or even an investigation of inciting an insurrection.

And the mere possibility that federal agencies maybe could at some point in the future pursue an investigation that might include this person where possibly perhaps this video could conceivably be imaginably relevant is not knowledgeable destruction or concealment with intent to impede an investigation my any reasonable interpterion of the law. And the other things about who posted and took down the videos and intent and so on.

This is nowheresville.
 
In the video you posted he said Trump would have military support. Not any rioters. And in the video he didn't tell anybody to do anything. That is miles and miles away from a charge or even an investigation of inciting an insurrection.

And the mere possibility that federal agencies maybe could at some point in the future pursue an investigation that might include this person where possibly perhaps this video could conceivably be imaginably relevant is not knowledgeable destruction or concealment with intent to impede an investigation my any reasonable interpterion of the law. And the other things about who posted and took down the videos and intent and so on.

This is nowheresville.

Then your saying him specifically saying Trump wants an insurrection on the 6th, so Trump can declare the Insurrection act on the 6th has no bearing on the Insurrection that occurred on the 6th?
He deleted the video on the 7th.
 
He was stating on the videos Trump made a Secret pact with the military and that Pense would send the vote back to the states, the Liberals would freak out and start Rioting, Trump Would declare the Insurrection act the Military would take over and declare Military Tribunals to hang Nzncy Pelosi, Obama, and Clinton on the 6th of January 2021
Along with several other democratic Congressmen and Senators.

This is pretty much what certain members of this forum were repeating between the election and January 6... they suddenly went very quiet after that... I wonder why that is?
 
This is pretty much what certain members of this forum were repeating between the election and January 6... they suddenly went very quiet after that... I wonder why that is?

All the Waco wackos needed was someone tellng them, that the Military would back their insurrection and Boom it's on, they have been planning for this since 2008. They really are not the Brightest People.
 
In the video you posted he said Trump would have military support. Not any rioters. And in the video he didn't tell anybody to do anything. That is miles and miles away from a charge or even an investigation of inciting an insurrection.

And the mere possibility that federal agencies maybe could at some point in the future pursue an investigation that might include this person where possibly perhaps this video could conceivably be imaginably relevant is not knowledgeable destruction or concealment with intent to impede an investigation my any reasonable interpterion of the law. And the other things about who posted and took down the videos and intent and so on.

This is nowheresville.

That is the video from 2018 he also took it off his site with the one from the 5th and sixth his daily updates.
 
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