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New Articles of Impeachment coming on Monday, including “incitement of insurrection.”
https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/08/politics/house-democrats-impeachment-plans/index.html
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It does mean that new restrictions have to have some sort of constitutional basis. The Senate can't simply say, "because we're constitutionally authorized to approve Cabinet nominees, we're also authorized to approve any and all Executive branch employees."
And I doubt Congress can simply pass a law making it so.
And dust this back off....
New Articles of Impeachment coming on Monday, including “incitement of insurrection.”
https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/08/politics/house-democrats-impeachment-plans/index.html
Yeah. Pelosi is pissed. McCarthy is crying this is too divisive. But that is the point.
He's terrified that this will split the GOP because they will have to stand on one side or the other.
One way Tim could make it a lot less divisive is to encourage all the Republicans to vote for it.
I don't think that they should press articles of impeachment unless they are confident they have the votes for a conviction, but the idea that it is too divisive kind of sticks in my craw. Too divisive is continuing to support a lunatic who tried to overturn a democratic election.
Pedantic correction.One way Tim could make it a lot less divisive is to encourage all the Republicans to vote for it.
I don't think that they should press articles of impeachment unless they are confident they have the votes for a conviction, but the idea that it is too divisive kind of sticks in my craw. Too divisive is continuing to support a lunatic who tried to overturn a democratic election.
Yes, but if he's not impeached, then during later elections the republican candidates will find it easier to lie about where they stand on things.Pedantic correction.
It's Kevin McCarthy.
Whether he is impeached or not, there are going to be consequences.
Yeah. Pelosi is pissed. McCarthy is crying this is too divisive. But that is the point.
He's terrified that this will split the GOP because they will have to stand on one side or the other.
Yes, but if he's not impeached, then during later elections the republican candidates will find it easier to lie about where they stand on things.
If Trump is impeached again, each congress-critter will have to give a "yay or nay" to Trump's actions in encouraging the riot. That makes it much harder for them to hide their true beliefs.
...McConnell could easily delay the start of the trial to next Monday to prevent the need for the Senators to vote.
Yes, I think impeachment gets voted on regardless.Why? I thought that impeachment would proceed whether or not he is still in office....McConnell could easily delay the start of the trial to next Monday to prevent the need for the Senators to vote.
Yes, I think impeachment gets voted on regardless.
Granted, if Moscow Mitch delays things, Trump would be out of office, it will be a largely symbolic act. (Although they could vote to ensure he could never hold public office again.) But senators would still be on the record either way.
Why is it only the Dems who need to forgive and forget?
Where are the Republicans apologizing for claiming that Democrats just engaged in massive voter fraud?
Every time Biden has tried to reach out, Republicans have spit in his face.
For those wondering if it’s worth impeaching him this time, it means he:
1) loses his 200k+ pension for the rest of his life
2) loses his 1 million dollars/year travel allowance
3) loses lifetime full secret service detail
4) loses his ability to run in 2024
Why is it only the Dems who need to forgive and forget?
Where are the Republicans apologizing for claiming that Democrats just engaged in massive voter fraud?
Why are Democrats so ******* stupid?
You won, Trump disintegrated, so has his party.
Whatever the party thinks it might gain from impeachment, I can tell you what it will reap: the opposite of what's intended.
The Republican party is in tatters, and the one thing that will enable them to re-build is an attack from their common enemy, the Democratic Party.
It's a time to forgive and forget, try to build alliances, try to heal the divisions, not dig them deeper. Moderate Republicans are pissed off at Trump, but they'll be a lot more pissed off at stupid old **** Nancy Pelosi showboating and making idiotic assertions that Trump might start nuclear war,
She's an idiot, and so are all the members of her party supporting her. Even if it worked, it would turn Trump into a martyr, which is just what you don't need to do.
Utter insanity that will backfire.
Because the ultimate insult is to decline to lower yourself to their level.
See above.
It comes down to whether the Democrats would like to get some Republican voters to switch sides.
Impeaching Trump will do the exact opposite and harden those voters' opposition to what they perceive as a bunch of over-entitled elites.
The high ground is wide open and empty - why the hell wouldn't you occupy it? Impeachment right now is pathetic and acting as dumb as Trump.
It's the American Way.
Something triggered his public concession to Biden and commitment to a peaceful transaction. My guess is that they had enough senate votes to remove him from office. And now that he’s done that, they want it to be good enough and start calling for unity.
I don’t think impeachment is a turn off to voters. I think a lack of response might be. since they passed on the 25th, they punted the ball to pelosi. Not sure she has much choice.
Either way, I think it’s pretty inconceivable to just walk out there and say let’s let bygones be bygones and move on a day after a mob of Trump supporters forced their way into the capital at his direction. There has to be a response to that, you can’t let that go.
What I would do is welcome them with open arms and let jygones be bygones... and the hit them with the biggest knife in DC when they turn their back.
You mean act like Republicans.
Why are Democrats so ******* stupid?
You won, Trump disintegrated, so has his party.
Whatever the party thinks it might gain from impeachment, I can tell you what it will reap: the opposite of what's intended.
The Republican party is in tatters, and the one thing that will enable them to re-build is an attack from their common enemy, the Democratic Party.
It's a time to forgive and forget, try to build alliances, try to heal the divisions, not dig them deeper. Moderate Republicans are pissed off at Trump, but they'll be a lot more pissed off at stupid old **** Nancy Pelosi showboating and making idiotic assertions that Trump might start nuclear war,
She's an idiot, and so are all the members of her party supporting her. Even if it worked, it would turn Trump into a martyr, which is just what you don't need to do.
Utter insanity that will backfire.
So, less than Pelosi spends on shoes.
Because a world where a sitting President can order an angry mob of conspiracy theorists to march on and storm the Capitol because he won't accept the results of an election and suffer no consequences is simply not an acceptable one.
NOT impeaching Trump would be playing politics.
Impeachment is what is required by their Oath of Office.
If impeached and removed from office, a former president would lose most of those benefits, but would still receive Secret Service projection. See "18 U.S. Code § 3056 - Powers, authorities, and duties of United States Secret Service"
If Trump is impeached again, each congress-critter will have to give a "yay or nay" to Trump's actions in encouraging the riot. That makes it much harder for them to hide their true beliefs.
If impeached and removed from office, a former president would lose most of those benefits, but would still receive Secret Service projection. See "18 U.S. Code § 3056 - Powers, authorities, and duties of United States Secret Service"
(https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/3056). There is no exception there for presidents removed from office as there is in the Former Presidents Act (https://www.archives.gov/about/laws/former-presidents.html).
Even if removed from office, a former president would still need protection, not just for his benefit, but to protect the US because of his knowledge of classified information.
You think he could remember anything not directly to do with how great he is?
I’m serious whilst that might be a consideration for every single President prior to Trump and every one after it really doesn’t apply to him.
Plus I suspect that he will lose his protection detail quite quickly when he will not take any of their advice or instructions. When he was President he could do what he wanted and the SS simply had to deal with it. Once he stops being president he will have to abide by the SS advice and instructions if he wants their protection, which we know he simply won’t be able to do.
Funny how its only the Democrats who should pursue unity, with unity of course meaning making concessions to the party that was only too happy to back a President who tried to overthrow democracy. And lets not forget Whitewater, birtherism, Benghazi, Hilary's emails, blocking Merrick Garland's nomination because it should be left to the next President and then doing a 180 when it suited them? And lets not forget all those Trumpistas who remain convinced that he was robbed of the Presidency in the face of all evidence to the contrary, you think the Democratic Party should reach to them? Or do you mean the mythical moderate Republicans everyone insists still exists even though they are seen less often than bigfoot? Grow up FFS, if you want to .heal the wounds. the onus is on the Republicans to change and impeaching Trup would be a good start.Because the ultimate insult is to decline to lower yourself to their level.
See above.
It comes down to whether the Democrats would like to get some Republican voters to switch sides.
Impeaching Trump will do the exact opposite and harden those voters' opposition to what they perceive as a bunch of over-entitled elites.
The high ground is wide open and empty - why the hell wouldn't you occupy it? Impeachment right now is pathetic and acting as dumb as Trump.
It's the American Way.
Originally Posted by JoeMorgue View Post
Because a world where a sitting President can order an angry mob of conspiracy theorists to march on and storm the Capitol because he won't accept the results of an election and suffer no consequences is simply not an acceptable one.
Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza View Post
NOT impeaching Trump would be playing politics.
Impeachment is what is required by their Oath of Office.
Agreed. It would be a complete dereliction of every representative and senator's duty to not respond to this - even if there may not be the votes to confirm the impeachment in the senate. Not to do so would be agreeing to normalize Trump's actions. It would continue the slide towards fascism.
Why is it only the Dems who need to forgive and forget?
Where are the Republicans apologizing for claiming that Democrats just engaged in massive voter fraud?
Every time Biden has tried to reach out, Republicans have spit in his face.