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9/11 Commission records unsealed

Dawn Deskins also says they don't do real world hijack exercises. More on war games, lots of detail on flight 11, and saying that she didn't spot Flight 77 because she was looking for the phantom flight 11 approaching from the north.
 
MikeW said:
Craig Marquis explains that he didn't immediately believe flight 11 was hijacked after receiving the first information about Betty Ong's phone call. Also says he didn't connect the burning WTC with flight 11 immediately - another example of how it took a few minutes for people to realise what was going on.
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Wow.....just like the sub-humans screamed about the PM book because of the name Chertoff, I find this really ironic that both Alpo Marquis and Craig "Emo" Ranke are related to this guy :)
 
Some new details on how Atta's luggage didn't make it onto flight 11, including the information that they were tagged as belonging to a passenger who was a security issue. Enough unknowns that I predict this will become an issue again.
 
Dictator Cheney said:
sub-humans ?

nazi
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~Enigma~ and Dictator Cheney, drop this now. ~Enigma~, stop calling people sub-humans. Dictator Cheney, stop calling ~enigma~ a Nazi.
Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic  Posted By: Myriad
 
Kevin Delaney on the events of 9/11, why he believed Flight 93 was shot down ("8 mile debris field"), and why he destroyed the controller interview tapes (the document says they have information from others contradicting his statements).

Ah, so much interesting stuff, so much real-life work I should be doing instead...
 
~enigma~ said:
Wow.....just like the sub-humans screamed about the PM book because of the name Chertoff, I find this really ironic that both Alpo Marquis and Craig "Emo" Ranke are related to this guy :)
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lol..I was just thinking that exact same thing.

TAM:)
 
ETA: Nevermind, Myriad covered it.

Thanks, MikeW.
 
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Lets not forget those put options that somehow mean something about foreknowledge that were not included in the report. I find it interesting that the guy that bought 96% of the UAL puts also bought 115,000 UAL stocks.
 
lapman said:
Lets not forget those put options that somehow mean something about foreknowledge that were not included in the report. I find it interesting that the guy that bought 96% of the UAL puts also bought 115,000 UAL stocks.
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From page 4:

The primary points of contact at the FBI were Bill Mackey and Bill McNally.
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Yet more nefarious ties. Obviously Ryan's cousin.
 
lapman said:
Lets not forget those put options that somehow mean something about foreknowledge that were not included in the report. I find it interesting that the guy that bought 96% of the UAL puts also bought 115,000 UAL stocks.
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Good spot! Especially as, for the first time, it tells us who made the recommendation to buy AMR puts - Steve Sarnoff of Options Hotline. I suspect he'll be getting truther emails now for the rest of his life. :D
 
Interesting note is made in the FBi report of Atta's Luggage, that the passenger service representative for AA11 called the ramp crew to ask if Atta's two suitcases (the two that were left behind) had been put aboard the aircraft. It was stated that this was an unusual occurrence, unless the passenger effected asked about the luggage.

http://media.nara.gov/9-11/MFR/t-0148-911MFR-00038.pdf

TAM:)
 
T.A.M. said:
Interesting note is made in the FBi report of Atta's Luggage, that the passenger service representative for AA11 called the ramp crew to ask if Atta's two suitcases (the two that were left behind) had been put aboard the aircraft. It was stated that this was an unusual occurrence, unless the passenger effected asked about the luggage.

http://media.nara.gov/9-11/MFR/t-0148-911MFR-00038.pdf

TAM:)
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What is also interesting is that the baggage was not left behind by Atta, but were late in transferring from the US Airways flight and were supposed to go out on AA 181.
 
exactly. Atta did not "purposely leave behind" his bags as the truthers claim, but rather they were late in getting onboard the plane. And as you say, they were even placed aboard an alternate flight so he could retrieve them in LA, but the attacks changed this.

TAM:)
 
MikeW said:
Some people will be happy to hear this:
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Yes I am sure Egg and Waldo are fair near having an orgasm over that little "Sliverstein" moment. Of course, will they dare to find out if may, perhaps, oh i dunno, that the time on the ATC contol was oh, I dunno, different from the time piece used for the "official" time. you know, or some LOGICAL, SANE explanation for it?

Stupid dumb FBI NWO asswipes, revealing more secrets of the grand plan, and releasing it to the supersmart investigooglers.

TAM;)
 
T.A.M. said:
Yes I am sure Egg and Waldo are fair near having an orgasm over that little "Sliverstein" moment. Of course, will they dare to find out if may, perhaps, oh i dunno, that the time on the ATC contol was oh, I dunno, different from the time piece used for the "official" time. you know, or some LOGICAL, SANE explanation for it?

Stupid dumb FBI NWO asswipes, revealing more secrets of the grand plan, and releasing it to the supersmart investigooglers.

TAM;)
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And they had only, what, like seven years to CHANGE all this released documents. If I where the NWO agent responsible for this, I'd now be on the lookout for NWO Kitty :covereyes
 
T.A.M. said:
exactly. Atta did not "purposely leave behind" his bags as the truthers claim, but rather they were late in getting onboard the plane. And as you say, they were even placed aboard an alternate flight so he could retrieve them in LA, but the attacks changed this.

TAM:)
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And Twoofers treat this, which as anybody who flies regulary knows is a pretty damn common mishap, as some great mysterious and sinister anomaly.
Boy, could I tell you misplaced luggage horror stories.
 
Janet Riffe provides a little more information on that report that a passenger was shot, as opposed to stabbed, on AA11.
 
Every time I see the title of this thread I think of a video camera, a beach, and "9/11 Commission records GONE WILD!"

Must just be me.
 
This useful NEADS briefing includes interesting details about the NEADS mission, and antiquated radar systems. They also gave a presentation about Flight 93, though even Marr admits the times are a little odd.
 
lapman said:
Unfortunately, the twoofers will quote Herbert Hortman to death while ignoring everything else.
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You mean Misquote. They will sayd that:

Mr. Hortman stated to the interviewing staffer that it was his opinion as an experienced commercial pilot, that none of the hijackers would have been able to successfully carry out the attacks of 09/11/2001.
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totally ignoring the following part:

without having first flown an aircraft in the airspace of New York City or Washington, DC.
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The Commission did pay attention to truthers! A Tony Hollick called them, they did a phone interview, and he said a) the WTC was blown up in a plot masterminded by John Ashcroft, b) the Pentagon was hit by a Global Hawk/ F-16, and c) John O'Neal was involved in the WTC plot (though carelessly forgot, presumably, and died in the collapse).
 
And that didn't make the final report? If that isn't proof of a coverup, I don't know what is!
 
JamesB said:
And that didn't make the final report? If that isn't proof of a coverup, I don't know what is!
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Well, at least they published his phone number in the report. Guess truther details don't get those little redacted boxes.
 
MikeW said:
The Commission did pay attention to truthers! A Tony Hollick called them, they did a phone interview, and he said a) the WTC was blown up in a plot masterminded by John Ashcroft, b) the Pentagon was hit by a Global Hawk/ F-16, and c) John O'Neal was involved in the WTC plot (though carelessly forgot, presumably, and died in the collapse).
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Maybe it's just me but I just get this picture of the Mr Cordero, who typed this one up, chuckling away to himself, as he did so.

 
PhantomWolf said:
You mean Misquote. They will sayd that:

totally ignoring the following part:
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I can't precisely tell what I am reading in that quote:

Mr. Hortman stated to the interviewing staffer that it was his opinion as an experienced commercial pilot, that none of the hijackers would have been able to successfully carry out the attacks of 09/1112001 without having first flown an aircraft in the airspace of New York City or Washington, DC. Mr. Hortman said that merely training in a simulator with a tape or digital presentation of the greater Washington or New York City region would be insufficient. Mr. Hortman is convinced that all the hijacker pilots would have had to actually fly an aircraft in the New York City and Washington, DC areas.
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Is he saying that the hijackers COULD have carried out the attacks once they had flown into the NY/DC airspace?

Or that they COULDN'T have carried out the attacks since the hijackers never trained in flying in the NY/DC airspace irl?
 
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