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Split Thread Scorpion's Spiritualism

Delurking to ask futile question:

Scorpion, is there anything we could say that might make you doubt that medium actually learned about your brother from the dead?

Relurking.
 
Donn said:
Delurking to ask futile question:

Scorpion, is there anything we could say that might make you doubt that medium actually learned about your brother from the dead?

Relurking.
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If you want to know the truth, I am not really sure of anything anymore.
Nor am I attached emotionally to the idea of the afterlife. I have not had so much fun that I want to live forever.
The message from my brother was just one of many messages I received over the years, I refer to it because it was the most evidential, as it told me facts I did not know. As I said I gradually came to believe that some mediums are genuine, and there is a spirit world. Because if they were deceiving me they went to an awful lot of trouble for nothing. Because I only put a nominal sum in the collection plate.
 
fagin said:
Excuse my ignorance, and without rereading the whole thread again, I always thought churches had priests/reverends/rabbis/etc. What do mediums do in churches?
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Spiritualist churches have a service with hymns like any church, and the medium first gives a talk, or sometimes a trance lecture as part of the service. Then the service ends with the medium giving some of the congregation messages from the spirit world.
 
There may have been some who were deliberately deceiving you but I suspect most were as honestly mistaken as you. Mediums have the same cognitive biases and fallible perceptions and memories as everybody else.
 
anglolawyer said:
Well, in that case, where are all the missing 73-93 billion unreincarnated dead people? Hmmm? Let's see you answer that smart aleck!
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Because you have a choice as to whether to reincarnate or stay in the spirit world. I would chose to stay in the spirit world
 
Daylightstar said:
Scorpion, considering your signature:

Stars can be seen when the sun rises, even during the middle of the day.
A 16 inch telescope can show you more stars during the day than you can see with the naked eye during the night.

Your god can not be seen, nor can the 'truth' of your claims concerning post-mortem communication through a so called medium .....
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Oh! come on, give the man some poetic licence. Here is another verse.

You should always discriminate between the real and the unreal. God alone is real, the Eternal Substance; all else is unreal, that is , impermentant. By dicriminating thus one should shake off impermenant objects from the mind.
Sri Ramakrishna
 
Scorpion said:
If you want to know the truth, I am not really sure of anything anymore.
Nor am I attached emotionally to the idea of the afterlife.
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Nice reply. You might fit in here after all. Being sure of anything is part of the problem we try to fight. Always have some doubt and gradually build-up a collection of things you are fairly sure about that are based-on evidence; all the while admitting those things you don't know at all.

Have a careful think about some of the posts in this thread. Pixel42's posts are usually worth reading over and over again.

You might come to some other view of truth, at least a partial one.
 
Scorpion said:
The church where I had the message about my brother was a church I regularly attended. But the medium was someone I had never seen before.
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If I was a medium visiting a new church to drum up some interest, the first thing I'd do would be to see what I could find out about the regular attendees - names, addresses, jobs, family backgrounds, browse through local records, etc. All in a days work... then, perhaps, I'd be too busy to see the ones I couldn't dig out much about, and keen to see anyone who's details I'd uncovered.
 
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Donn said:
You might come to some other view of truth, at least a partial one.
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So do you think there must be A truth? For example, either there is a God or there is not. Because I went to a philosophy class and said there must be a truth, and a sea of faces looked at me and said "no, there is no truth"
 
mstricky said:
Its pointless explaining on here no one wants to know.
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No. the point is that you are making it up. Or the person who told you this was making it up.

You've either experienced it or not. I believe Scorpion is being truthful as I have been there too
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Nobody here thinks that Scorpion is not truthful. And we also believe that you have had the experiences that you think. What we do not believe is that the experiences mean what you think they mean.
 
mstricky said:
Its pointless explaining on here no one wants to know.
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If we didn't want to know we wouldn't we here listening to, and carefully evaluating, the anecdotes of people like you and Scorpion.

Has it occurred to you that you might be the one who doesn't want to know - that the evidence on which you have based your beliefs is wholly inadequate to support them? We've made it very clear what would be needed to convince us that you are right - what would it take to convince you that you are wrong?

You've either experienced it or not. I believe Scorpion is being truthful as I have been there too
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Why do you keep insisting that everyone who doesn't accept your interpretation of your experiences must not have had similar ones? You've been told otherwise many times. We have former psychics here, as well as former believers.
 
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fagin said:
Excuse my ignorance, and without rereading the whole thread again, I always thought churches had priests/reverends/rabbis/etc. What do mediums do in churches?
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The same thing.
They gather the money from the collection plate, and toss it towards the spirit world (heaven).
The spirits (heaven) keep what they need, and the rest is the medium's (priests/reverends/rabbis).
 
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Scorpion said:
So do you think there must be A truth? For example, either there is a God or there is not.
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Sincere and thoughtful people have been seeking and finding this god for 1000s of years. And delivering the message(s). It is a fact that these messages are cultural dependent, and not universal, which should be expected if there was one such overall being. There's 1000s of gods. All exactly suited to their culture, and can be significantly different from the neighbors on the other of the culture's boundary.
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Because I went to a philosophy class and said there must be a truth, and a sea of faces looked at me and said "no, there is no truth"
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As above, but, there is "a truth".
It's called the Golden Rule.
That works for everybody... if only everybody would follow it.
 
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Pixel42 said:
We have former psychics here, as well as former believers.
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There are former psychics here? I don't see how. There might be former fake psychics here, but if someone was really psychic they would know it is the truth, and they could not become a former psychic.
Well if this thread lasts long enough maybe one will turn up and contribute to it.
 
Scorpion said:
There are former psychics here? I don't see how. There might be former fake psychics here, but if someone was really psychic they would know it is the truth, and they could not become a former psychic.
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As I already pointed out psychics and mediums have the same cognitive biases and fallible perceptions and memories as everybody else and can fool themselves just as easily as they can fool their clients.

Well if this thread lasts long enough maybe one will turn up and contribute to it.
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I'll search the forum for some of their previous posts.
 
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