Split Thread Scorpion's Spiritualism

[Nay_Sayer]

So you credit the churches for your healing? Do they encourage this idea?

I'll put down 5 pesos they do. An extra wooden nickle that all the healings are people from the church.

 

[Ladewig]

I answered your questions half way down page four.

I missed it in the split.

Thanks.

Last question: does insisting that there is no soul, no psychic phenomia, and no higher beings (as well as trying to convince others to reject spiritual beliefs) add to one's overall karmic debt?

 

[Giordano]

Yes, and I guess that invalitates my opinions completely as far as most people here are concerned. I was put in hospital only once in my life in 1969 and was an out patient for two years. But when I found out they could not cure me I went to spiritualist churches. There I got healing (which I could often feel as energy and heat) and I gradually learned about the chakras, and how to close my aura and such.

I am very happy that it works to make you feel better. Many people believe in things, such as a god, that makes them feel better.

But science is a harsh mistress, and doesn't care if you believe in something or not, or if the belief helps you or not. It only cares if you do x, does y always happen. To paraphrase Phil Dick: scientific realty is what remains whether you believe or not. Interestingly, science has proven very useful to humans, whereas things that don't reproduce well haven't.

So believe what you wish. But recognize that it is not science and it may well not describe things convincingly for everyone.

 

[Scorpion]

I missed it in the split.

Thanks.

Last question: does insisting that there is no soul, no psychic phenomia, and no higher beings (as well as trying to convince others to reject spiritual beliefs) add to one's overall karmic debt?

I doubt it, I think this is the age of reason, and we are intended to develop our intellects, so science is not disapproved of by the spirit world, in fact they may try to inspire people to invent new things from behind the scenes.

I have heard mediums be critical of people being too emotional and gullible.
The spirit world is all in favour of critical thinking. Mental powers are one of the things we are evolving.

 

[The Shrike]

Last question: does insisting that there is no soul, no psychic phenomia, and no higher beings (as well as trying to convince others to reject spiritual beliefs) add to one's overall karmic debt?

I hope so. I want to send my spirit back a few levels (kind of like playing the skip a turn card in Uno) but I don't want to actually hurt anyone.

 

[Hokulele]

I cannot imagine that working out, as only some healers are powerful enough for me to feel the energy, and most of them would not be likely to want to get involved. Besides the healing energy is directed down through the healer by spirits that would almost certainly distain such an effort.

This seems like an incredibly selfish attitude on the part of the spirits and the healers. It would be a relatively simple way to show that such energy really does exist, quiet all the nay-sayers, and help those who need it. The fact that they can't even be bothered to try a simple test speaks volumes towards their motivations.

 

[Scorpion]

This seems like an incredibly selfish attitude on the part of the spirits and the healers. It would be a relatively simple way to show that such energy really does exist, quiet all the nay-sayers, and help those who need it. The fact that they can't even be bothered to try a simple test speaks volumes towards their motivations.

We are not intended to have absolute proof of psychic powers, or the existence of God. We are here to work things out for ourselves. It is how we grow.

 

[Scorpion]

Cuddles (moderator) I would like to thank you for not banning me for derailing the other thread, and for going to all the trouble of splitting the threads.
I did not have the confidence to start my own thread about spiritualism.

 

[tsig]

I think lots of people can see auras, and it is up to them if they want to try and get the money. But I cannot, I just feel psychic energy. However I am sure I could strengthen my auras defenses by my will, as I could feel the effects. I attended a healing class by the late medium Ursula Roberts in the spiritualist association London. And I learned how to build my defenses against negative energies.

How were these negative energies being generated?

 

[tsig]

I cannot imagine that working out, as only some healers are powerful enough for me to feel the energy, and most of them would not be likely to want to get involved. Besides the healing energy is directed down through the healer by spirits that would almost certainly distain such an effort.
But I know I have felt healing energy, and on some occasions the energy has stayed with me for several days after healing, until it ebbed away.

Yes the spirits disdain from proving themselves except in your case.

 

[tsig]

We are not intended to have absolute proof of psychic powers, or the existence of God. We are here to work things out for ourselves. It is how we grow.

Yet you say you have proof.

 

[Fast Eddie B]

Brian Dunning's latest episode of Skeptiko deals with the definition, use and misuse of the word "energy".

http://skeptoid.com/episode.php?id=4411&no_mobile=true

It was also the subject of the very first Skeptiko:

http://skeptoid.com/episodes/4002

 

[Pixel42]

We are not intended to have absolute proof of psychic powers, or the existence of God. We are here to work things out for ourselves. It is how we grow.

Proving it's possible to get meaningful messages from the dead would be easy, if it was true. Testing such claims is how we work things out for ourselves, if we really want to know the truth. That is how we grow - by accepting reality, even if it's not what we would prefer to believe.

There's no difference between a world in which such claims cannot easily be demonstrated to be more than an artefact of fallible perceptions and cognitive biases and one in which they are not true.

 

[thaiboxerken]

Well I have not really thought about that. But I would ask you the opposite,
what happens to a psychically sensitive child if their parents deny the childs feelings, and tell them they are imagining things? I myself know what that feels like.

They, hopefully, put aside such childish believe and grow up.

 

[thaiboxerken]

I cannot imagine that working out, as only some healers are powerful enough for me to feel the energy, and most of them would not be likely to want to get involved. Besides the healing energy is directed down through the healer by spirits that would almost certainly distain such an effort.
But I know I have felt healing energy, and on some occasions the energy has stayed with me for several days after healing, until it ebbed away.

What level of healer? How many experience points does it take to get to that level? Will a +1 spiritualist robe help?

 

[SusanB-M1]

Well I have not really thought about that. But I would ask you the opposite,
what happens to a psychically sensitive child if their parents deny the childs feelings, and tell them they are imagining things? I myself know what that feels like.

It is the adults around the child who interpret something a child has said as 'psychic'. There are two ways of saying, 'you're imagining things'; one is in a dismissive, non-understanding way and the other is in a 'what a lovely imagination you have; can you draw me a picture' etc way. The totally wrong way would be to jump to a 'this child is psychic' concklusion.
Remember that by the time a child can speak s/he has been seeing, listening and absorbing actions an conversations, snatches of words, etc all the time, all of which the child's brain has been checking, sorting, rearranging and redefining as the child grows. When I was a small child, I knew I could see fairies, but fortunately my parents did not interpret this as psychic!

If you look into any case where parents have said their child was psychic, I am sure you will not find any single one where it was not adult input which provided this interpretation.

From a general point of view, of course a child's sensitive nature should be nurtured and not squashed, but that child should be given the skills to be able to cope with life and not directed towards answers for which there is zero evidence; especially in today's world where information about the universe, from the smallest particle to the farthest star, is rapidly increasing and being updated.

 

[Scorpion]

How were these negative energies being generated?

According to spirit guides or the mediums who were purportedly channeling them, the world is surrounded by a dark band of negative psychic energy generated by all the wars and human suffering. I suffered from sensitivity to this energy, and in the streets of London I could feel it, but if I walked into an old church in London I immediately felt relief from the unpleasant sensations. I therefore spent many of my lunch hours recuperating in old churches in the city. I also learned techniques to draw the positive energy into myself. Not something you will learn from psychiatrists, who only offer you tranquilizers.

 

[Scorpion]

What level of healer? How many experience points does it take to get to that level? Will a +1 spiritualist robe help?

Many people in the spiritualist movement aspire to be healers, but only some of them give off power so much that I could feel it. They all give their time free of charge, and any donations made go to the overheads of the church.

 

[Scorpion]

Yet you say you have proof.

I have had personal evidence of survival after death, some of which I have posted on this thread. But it is subjective evidence that only means something to me, and it is not proof to anyone else. If you want to get your own evidence you would have to go to many spiritualist church services.

 

[Pixel42]

I have had personal evidence of survival after death

You have anecdotal evidence, which is as inadequate for you as it is for everybody else. Without verification by more reliable means the most likely explanation of your subjective experiences is the fallible perceptions and cognitive biases which have always been shown to be the explanation of all similar anecdotal evidence when such verification has been sought.