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Split Thread Scorpion's Spiritualism

Scorpion said:
I don't have those feelings much any more, I don't know why. I used to feel precences a lot, but age seems to have reduced my sensitivity. In any case it did not always happen. So I would be useless as a test subject.
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Not at all. You don't need to be right every time, just more often than would be expected by chance. But whenever anyone takes this kind of blind test for such perceived phenomena the results are always exactly what would be expected by chance.
 
Scorpion said:
There are supposedly separate realms, each of which has many levels.
There is the Astral plane, (linked to emotion)and the Mental plane.
We have a separate body for each plane.




recently departed people cannot remember more than their last incarnation, only enlightened souls that have completed their cycle of incarnations can remember all their past lives. They can remember them in perfect detail and the memories are all stored in the soul (causual)body. The soul body is formless and infinitely expandable. So there is no limit to the memories it can contain.
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This is making me want to play Planescape: Torment again.
 
After a long search I was told it was because my chakras were out of alignment due to my etheric body being loose
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Change spark plugs for chakras and head gasket for etheric body and that's straight out of the slightly-less-than-honest motor mechanic's toolkit.
 
Scorpion said:
There are supposedly separate realms, each of which has many levels.
There is the Astral plane, (linked to emotion)and the Mental plane.
We have a separate body for each plane.
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Scorpion, the word "supposedly" is one you should use more often:
There are supposedly separate realms, each of which supposedly has many levels.
There is, supposedly, the Astral plane, (supposedly linked to emotion)and the supposed Mental plane. We supposedly have a separate body for each supposed plane.
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If you are certain, then drop the qualifiers; it sounds like you don't know for sure. If you have doubts, this is a good place to hang around.
 
Scorpion said:
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recently departed people cannot remember more than their last incarnation, only enlightened souls that have completed their cycle of incarnations can remember all their past lives...
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When might this occur?
Is there a goal to achieve for the incarnator, that once achieved the soul stops incarnating?
Anybody ever achieved that goal?
Sounds almost like a inescapable conscious everlasting death then.
 
I Ratant said:
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When might this occur?
Is there a goal to achieve for the incarnator, that once achieved the soul stops incarnating?
Anybody ever achieved that goal?
Sounds almost like a inescapable conscious everlasting death then.
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I heard at a spiritualist trance lecture that it takes as many as thousands of incarnations to achive enlightenment and freedom from karma. We may be at a high stage of spiritual develoment, but we still have to incarnate until all karmic debts are settled. We do not only incarnate on this planet, but on many similar worlds at different stages of evolution. This has all happened before in past ages, and many spirits have completed their cycle, and achived a state of grace where they no longer need incarnation. After that they continue on as immortals in higher planes of existence.
 
Scorpion said:
Since my personal experience tells me that the spirit world can see into the future, my perception of it is that it is bunk. He did say there could be other forces but they are too weak to effect us physically. He did say they do not know everything.
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Do you?
 
Fast Eddie B said:
A few posts back I predicted that Scorpion would respond with Special Pleading.

Viola! ;)

Where can I apply for the million dollars, having demonstrated my ability to predict the future? :cool:
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Sorry but that's like predicting that water will run down a hill.
 
Donn said:
I see. It's good to know it's so organized. Do these angels not evolve too? And the brotherhood, are they all done, or on their way? Who directs these groups?

The sheer volume of souls - going back in time it must number in the hundreds of billions - makes me mention computers. Just to keep track of the pedigree of each one, the identity, the current level and so on. Who do you suppose would run this massive operation, some spiritual NSA?

For example, are there any repeat possessor spirits; those who routinely break the rules and jump into bodies already owned? How would they be identified and discouraged?

If there are any rule breakers at all - does it not suggest that there's some element of will involved? If so, there could be all manner of misdeed happening in both worlds. What would stop powerful spirits from staging a take-over and ruling the other world for themselves?
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S/He paints a gloomy picture of the After Life:

You die and a luminous form says to you "You'll be teaching Spirit 101, lower form next eon" or "you're assistant to the underling for suppression of secrets".


ETA: How would we know that that hasn't already happened?
 
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Donn said:
You mean to say that spirits are uniformly good and show none of the ethical variety they did as humans? Hijinks, mistakes and even crime can't all be evil spirits.

Anyway, it sounds like this god must be doing a lot of work handling such a vast array of characters and coordinating it all. It must be a tiring job. Is the end result worth the whole gruelling enterprise?

Why doesn't this god start at the end, with the perfect creatures it always wanted as company?
The potential to do work that streams from above and assured the denizens of the various levels that there must be a god at the helm sounds like faith. Is this faith enough, to you, or do you count your experiences with spirits as more important towards your beliefs?

If your experiences are important, and they are your evidence, then why do you not seek more evidence about this god? Just because you are convinced there are spirits does not mean that there is a god. They could be tricking you, or something like it.
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Where's the fun in that?

No matter how profound they try to be most believers portray their god as a puppet master and the whole world as a performance he's putting on.

Must be an easier way to get some sidekicks.
 
Scorpion said:
I heard at a spiritualist trance lecture that it takes as many as thousands of incarnations to achive enlightenment and freedom from karma. We may be at a high stage of spiritual develoment, but we still have to incarnate until all karmic debts are settled. We do not only incarnate on this planet, but on many similar worlds at different stages of evolution. This has all happened before in past ages, and many spirits have completed their cycle, and achived a state of grace where they no longer need incarnation. After that they continue on as immortals in higher planes of existence.
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How did we incur these karmic debts?
 
Read your history and observe how many truly awful people with millions of deaths on their hands died of old age, in bed.
"bad karma" delivered post-mortem?
Meh!
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Contemplating the afore-mentioned auto-de-fe... those were done by those of good faith on their enemies because they weren't certain that the proper punishment would be delivered to those miscreants after death!
Had to inflict as much pain as possible to the victim while they were available!
And they did many truly awful things to those poor people!
Shoulda pissed their god off, that the believers didn't trust his divine judgement!
 
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scorpion

My father, a very rational man in most ways, believed in the Spiritualist ideas that he would go to different levels when he died, so I understand something of what you believe. I do not, however, believe any of it!

I appreciate that you have not raised this point, but what I would be interested to know is, do you feel it is right to teach children that what you believe is true? Do you think they should be adult before hearing such unevidenced ideas?
 
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SusanB-M1 said:
scorpion

My father, a very rational man in most ways, believed in the Spiritualist ideas that he would go to different levels when he died, so I understand something of what you believe. I do not, however, believe any of it!

I appreciate that you have not raised this point, but what I would be interested to know is, do you feel it is right to teach children that what you believe is true? Do you think they should be adult before hearing such unevidenced ideas?
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Well I have not really thought about that. But I would ask you the opposite,
what happens to a psychically sensitive child if their parents deny the childs feelings, and tell them they are imagining things? I myself know what that feels like.
 
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