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US Internal Revenue Service.

US IRS political activity and liberal bias for all the world to see:
http://www.wnd.com/2014/04/irs-gives-free-pass-to-famous-obama-leftist-group/

"The IRS stripped a small, obscure, CONSERVATIVE nonprofit of its tax-exempt status for two alleged rule violations a decade ago, while taking a hands-off approach to a famous leftist website well-financed by billionaire George Soros and other LIBERALS which has engaged in more egregious practices for years, and on a much vaster scale."


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The moment you source world nut daily, you instantly fail.
 
Janadele said:
US IRS political activity and liberal bias for all the world to see:
http://www.wnd.com/2014/04/irs-gives-free-pass-to-famous-obama-leftist-group/

"The IRS stripped a small, obscure, CONSERVATIVE nonprofit of its tax-exempt status for two alleged rule violations a decade ago, while taking a hands-off approach to a famous leftist website well-financed by billionaire George Soros and other LIBERALS which has engaged in more egregious practices for years, and on a much vaster scale."


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There's a small problem.

The bias actually goes the other way. The IRS is disproportionally auditing liberal groups, not conservative ones.

New Records: IRS Targeted Progressive Groups More Extensively Than Tea Party

I'm going to be charitable to the WND and assume they were just using out of date information, as opposed to outright lying.
 
halleyscomet said:
There's a small problem.

The bias actually goes the other way. The IRS is disproportionally auditing liberal groups, not conservative ones.

New Records: IRS Targeted Progressive Groups More Extensively Than Tea Party

I'm going to be charitable to the WND and assume they were just using out of date information, as opposed to outright lying.
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See? You're part of the PROBLEM!! You simply will not admit that those Liberal (anti-god) organizations are sinks of sex-crazed satanic vileness and DESERVE to be shut down. The conservative (what party would jeebas belong to) choirs of angels are the last bastions (I think that's the word I want) of goodly godliness!!!

You commie, you!
 
Crossbow said:
I suggest that you stop using WND as a data source because WND is nothing but a bunch of stupid, idiotic, lies that is written by a bunch of stupid, idiotic, liars.
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But WND supports Janadele's own opinions! She's not going to search out any source(s) that offers credible, logical evidence to the contrary. That would require being open minded.
 
Janadele said:
LOL :D... but of course.
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Since I've already given you information about how LIBERAL groups are being disproportionally targeted by the IRS, I'd say anyone prattling about an IRS bias favoring liberals is either lying or working from old information.

Are you lying or just working from old information?
 
halleyscomet said:
Since I've already given you information about how LIBERAL groups are being disproportionally targeted by the IRS, I'd say anyone prattling about an IRS bias favoring liberals is either lying or working from old information.

Are you lying or just working from old information?
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Is that a rhetorical question, or what?
 
halleyscomet said:
Since I've already given you information about how LIBERAL groups are being disproportionally targeted by the IRS, I'd say anyone prattling about an IRS bias favoring liberals is either lying or working from old information.

Are you lying or just working from old information?
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Think Progress has conflated old issues (TAG) and active issues. From the TIGTA explanation as to why progressive groups were omitted from the report:

Our audit did not find evidence that the IRS used the "Progressives" identifier as selection criteria for potential political cases between May 2010 and May 2012. The focus of our audit was on whether the IRS: 1) targeted specific groups applying for tax-exempt status, 2) delayed processing of targeted groups' applications, and 3) requested unnecessary information from targeted groups. We determined the IRS developed and used inappropriate criteria to identify applications from organizations with the words Tea Party in their names. In addition, we found other inappropriate criteria that were used (e.g., 9/12, Patriots) to select potential political cases that were not included in any BOLO listings. The inappropriate criteria used to select potential political cases for review did not include the term "Progressives." The term "Progressives" appears, beginning in August 2010, in a separate section of the BOLO listings that was labeled "TAG [Touch and Go] Historical" or "Potential Abusive Historical." The Touch and Go group within the Exempt Organizations function Determinations Unit is a different group of specialists than the team of specialists that was processing potential political cases related to the allegations we audited.
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So who is lying or using old information? TIGTA or ThinkProgress?
 
Leftus said:
Think Progress has conflated old issues (TAG) and active issues. From the TIGTA explanation as to why progressive groups were omitted from the report:

So who is lying or using old information? TIGTA or ThinkProgress?
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It looks like everyone involved may be playing semantic games.

To really figure out what's going on we need the following:

  • An independent review into the classifications used by the IRS.
  • An independent review of which groups were targeted based upon those classifications.
  • An independent review of what the results were of those investigations.

There's also the question of does it really matter if one political affiliation is targeted more than the other?

Back in the 1960's, left-leaning organizations were more likely to be funneling money into domestic terrorism. Today, with most domestic terrorism coming from the right, it makes sense that right-wing organizations espousing ideologies similar to those of the domestic terrorists will be targeted for investigation.
 
halleyscomet said:
To really figure out what's going on we need the following:

  • An independent review into the classifications used by the IRS.
  • An independent review of which groups were targeted based upon those classifications.
  • An independent review of what the results were of those investigations.
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That is both the function and results of TIGTA and their investigations. Do you have a specific concern with either their mission, execution of their mission or their report (and responses to inquiries on the report)?


There's also the question of does it really matter if one political affiliation is targeted more than the other?
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Do you really want due process of the law to be dictated by the political landscape?

Back in the 1960's, left-leaning organizations were more likely to be funneling money into domestic terrorism. Today, with most domestic terrorism coming from the right, it makes sense that right-wing organizations espousing ideologies similar to those of the domestic terrorists will be targeted for investigation.
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How many terrorist organizations registered their fundraising efforts with the government? Did the Weathermen file for tax exempt status? Are there any of the militia movement members forming 501 organizations? They are usually targeting the federal government, not seeking tax exempt status.

And if you look at the questions being asked of the organizations, they weren't looking for terrorists. They would have used that excuse first were that true.
 
Leftus said:
Do you really want due process of the law to be dictated by the political landscape?
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No, I want investigations to follow the threats regardless of the political landscape.

Leftus said:
How many terrorist organizations registered their fundraising efforts with the government?
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While the terrorist groups themselves don't file for tax exempt status, there are plenty of charities that direct funds to terrorist activities. PETA supports ALF, which has committed acts of domestic terrorism. On an international scale, there are a LOT of US based Irish/American charities that sent funds to the IRA. Pat Robertson used "Operation Hope" funds to move diamond mining equipment out of a war zone and prop up the brutal regime of a dictator who had granted Pat's diamond mining operation mineral rights.

In each of those examples legitimate charities laundered funds to destroy property and / or kill people. Given the growing threat of Bundy style Soverign Citizen Separatists it would be irresponsible NOT to investigate political groups and charities espousing the same ideologies as the people pointing sniper rifles at federal agents.
 
halleyscomet said:
No, I want investigations to follow the threats regardless of the political landscape.

While the terrorist groups themselves don't file for tax exempt status, there are plenty of charities that direct funds to terrorist activities. PETA supports ALF, which has committed acts of domestic terrorism. On an international scale, there are a LOT of US based Irish/American charities that sent funds to the IRA. Pat Robertson used "Operation Hope" funds to move diamond mining equipment out of a war zone and prop up the brutal regime of a dictator who had granted Pat's diamond mining operation mineral rights.

In each of those examples legitimate charities laundered funds to destroy property and / or kill people. Given the growing threat of Bundy style Soverign Citizen Separatists it would be irresponsible NOT to investigate political groups and charities espousing the same ideologies as the people pointing sniper rifles at federal agents.
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Which of the questions on page 26 here would have assisted the IRS in identifying such malfeasance?

http://www.treasury.gov/tigta/auditreports/2013reports/201310053fr.pdf

Keep in mind, that it's the 990 reporting that tells you where the money went. If you were concerned that groups are using 501 organizations to launder money you would want to grant them tax exempt status so you can audit their expenses. Expenses that would be in the public record. They should be streamlining organizations that could potentially support terrorists and not delaying them so we can't follow the money.

The IRS did not build the BOLO list to identify potential terrorist threats. It was purely political.
 
Leftus said:
Which of the questions on page 26 here would have assisted the IRS in identifying such malfeasance?



http://www.treasury.gov/tigta/auditreports/2013reports/201310053fr.pdf



Keep in mind, that it's the 990 reporting that tells you where the money went. If you were concerned that groups are using 501 organizations to launder money you would want to grant them tax exempt status so you can audit their expenses. Expenses that would be in the public record. They should be streamlining organizations that could potentially support terrorists and not delaying them so we can't follow the money.



The IRS did not build the BOLO list to identify potential terrorist threats. It was purely political.
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*sigh*

This is why I'll never get to run things. I would be entirely too sensible for the political abominations that infest the nation.
 
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